re: Ilhan Omar’s Attack on Venezuela Special Envoy Echoes Al-Jazeera and Soviet Union

I'm not going to take either of their side, and I have my reasons, but this;

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brutally murdered by U.S.-trained troops.

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is just fricking stupid. They weren't US troops. They were foreigners who were trained by US troops who then went on to do their own shite. Why would the US be held responsible for their actions? It's not like the US government gave them orders to do that shite.

Agreed

The FMLN was formed in 1980, after the coup in 1979, in response to government troops killing civilians.

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That “ functioning Democracy “ was doomed has we not stepped in

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It had a pattern of fixed elections both before and after the election of Duarte, with accusations leveled in 1972, 1977 and 1988. It worked much better after the peace accords, when the FMLN transformed to a legal left-wing political party.

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And I also know that the US essentially ended up brokering the peace which has lasted until now.

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After repeated attempts by Dan Qualye and James Baker to get the army to stop killing civilians.

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Again, I’m not defending Abrams per se. I am defending the fact that his comments to that Islamist bitch were correct.

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Yeah your defense is highly nuanced. Islamist bitch = bad, ergo Abrams = good.

Those five existing groups fought among themselves during the 70s too. The right wing in El Salvador was responsible for political assassinations of left-wing activists who had the gall to speak out against unfair conditions on workers. Without that political context, it's you who are being completely intellectually dishonest. Of course it didn't spring up, but it was a function of a decade-long (in earnest, since 1973) battle between the left and right wings in the country, where right-wing landowners funded private death squads to coerce or kill farmers, among other workers.

Also 85% of the murder of civilians in El Salvador has been attributed to state agents or right-wing groups. LINK

The balance was heavily on one side, and it wasn't the FMLN. There isn't a "both sides" argument to make with regards to El Salvador, as the majority of atrocities were pinned on government and right-wing forces, from the assassination of Oscar Romero to the massacres at El Mozote and El Calabozo, among others.

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And the last little throwaway line is beneath you. She is an Islamist bitch and he, for reasons I have explained, is correct. Elevate your honesty game, and quit building Strawmen to defeat an argument I never made.

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You claimed I was being hyperbolic, when I wasn't. There are legitimate concerns about Abrams record as assistant secretary of state for human rights. Just because Omar was the one who questioned him (quite poorly) doesn't mean you can hand-wave those concerns away. Either discuss the facts or stop being a condescending arse, if you can. Otherwise, don't talk down to me. I know plenty about Latin America, I know the history, and I'm willing to discuss it in good faith. I won't stand for empty rhetorical accusations, though. Read the thread, and realize where it started. It didn't start with me.

I didn't move any goalposts. You haven't yet answered any of my claims, yet you claim victory. Exceedingly odd. I've haven't gone to bat for her at all this thread, from my first post (where I said she sucks) to this one. If you take my critique of Abrams as a defense of Omar, then you need to take some elementary reading classes, because I've done none of that. I've critiqued Abrams, all factual, and not one of those facts you've been able to rebut, other than saying, repeatedly, that Abrams was "correct" about El Salvador. Repeating that isn't a rebuttal, but you know that. You said I was being hyperbolic, which I wasn't, and now you claim I'm moving goalposts by for some reason.

It doesn't seem like you know the history all that well, to be honest. Go be condescending somewhere else.

They need to give that garbage bag wearing broad a gigantic microphone

That I agree with. Put her front and center. Along with the NYC Queen of the No- Nothings.

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That I agree with. Put her front and center. Along with the NYC Queen of the No- Nothings.

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Vapid ideologues typically do themselves in in spectacular fashion

You dumbass. I didn't like Omar's line of questioning, and I already says she sucks. It's alarming you are calling anyone obstinate. I despise Neocons and will continue to do so, as there aren't any positives to their methods of intervention. Iraq was a massive blunder in ways I've enumerated on previously. Everyone should be skeptical of Neocons. If your a Neocon, then it's no surprise your bobbing and weaving around, accusing me of supporting Omar when I critique Abrams.

Let's go over this thread again. Did Abrams go to bat for right-wing groups that committed 85% of civilian murders and disappearances in El Salvador? Yes he did. Did he lie on Nightline in 1985 about the State Dept. doing investigations into two massacres in El Salvador? Yes he did. Did Adm. Crowe call Abrams reckless in an 1989 letter to NYT? Yes, that is a fact. Was Abrams so stupid that he gave the Sultan of Brunei the wrong Swiss bank account number when he pressed him for money to fund the Contras? Yes he did. From all of this, you think I'm defending Omar? Are you out of your mind? How about this? Omar is an insanely stupid person. I don't support her or anything she does. In fact, she missed a real opportunity to hold power to account, as she could have asked a legitimate question, such as the one Lou the Jew from LSU brought up. Yet she instead attacked Abrams with a silly question which didn't touch upon his actual record, which is shitty enough in of itself.

I'll never defend Neocons, as they are a tremendously destructive force in our FP establishment. If you think Abrams is above criticism, then you are part of the problem. Congrats for that though.

You can bloviate, you can emote and above all you can build tortured-logic StrawMen. But what you can’t do, is be honest .

Carry on, 1000 words at a time, as your ego requires. I never get between a self-satisfied dilettante and his ego.