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SlowFlowPro
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If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday

doesn't this fact alone raise serious questions about its impact on voting (and our democracy, to tie that in here)?

Certain states have developed MIV over a long period of time with pretty strict regulations and, due to this oversight, they get their results in on time. It's a clear sign of a system that works.

Now states like PA are trying this (after the insanity that was 2020) and we've already been told that the delays are going to take days to resolve some very important, very close races. This is going to create a ton of uncertainty, chaos, and general distrust of the system. Even if there is no fraud, how is this a good thing for our elections?

Post-Covid, the benefits just are not there. Even the whole "access" argument would only apply to an incredibly small % of the population. The cost is complete distrust in a system that requires absolute trust to ensure peaceful transitions. The cost-benefit is extremely out of whack.

All that's left is partisan politics and the lies denying this ha anything to do with partisan politics


Robin Masters
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
But Democracy dies if poor retarded people can’t have their ballots filled out for them by democrat operatives!!!


2dog2many
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
Many on the PT board hate every eligible American voting except for their
personal know it all opinions on, who can vote, when they can vote and the process on how they can vote.

Many on the PT board do not believe in one person, one vote.



SDVTiger
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
Sure they dont alter


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SlowFlowPro
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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But Democracy dies if poor retarded people can’t have their ballots filled out for them by democrat operatives!!!

Take out the r-word and that's nearly a Bee headline.


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STEVED00
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
Absentee ballots were always a thing but they were reserved for specific situations. Having a week plus long early voting period should provide people plenty of time and access to vote. I could see voting on a specific Election Day could provide hardships to some but early voting eliminates that problem for the vast majority of cases. If it doesn’t then see absentee process.
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the808bass
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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bc I could see voting on a specific Election Day could provide hardships to some.


It’s not that hard to vote on a day other than Election Day.


Tigahs24Seven
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
No we EXACTLY agree with one person, one vote... That is why you yards defending this egregious cheating pisses us off. This unchecked, easily manipulated cheating method has forced us to deal with your brain dead faux President.


roadGator
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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Many on the PT board hate every eligible American voting except for their personal know it all opinions on, who can vote, when they can vote and the process on how they can vote.


Anyone have their commie decoder ring handy?

Should people that can’t name the three branches of government or name the current VP or define the electoral college or spell cat really be able to vote?

They can but should they?


SlowFlowPro
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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Having a week plus long early voting period should provide people plenty of time and access to vote bc I could see voting on a specific Election Day could provide hardships to some.


Yeah what % of the population actually needs MIV? It has to be incredibly small.

Most states permit absentee voting for the elderly, so that removes a ton of the population that would be argued needs MIV.

This same argument applies to ballot harvesting. I have no idea how anyone can say that's a good system with a straight face. If you're talking an extremely small population (immediate family)? I could listen. But any random person turning in votes for any random person? Idiocy.


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Eli Goldfinger
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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But Democracy dies if poor retarded people can’t have their ballots filled out for them by democrat operatives!!!


Nice


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STEVED00
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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It’s not that hard to vote on a day other than Election Day.


I agree it’s not hard to go to a specific location to vote. I’m just saying early in person voting is a benefit and should eliminate that vast majority of problems. Hell it also helps the efficiency for Election Day voting bc it thins the lines.


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GhostOfFreedom
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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. It's a clear sign of a system that works.


No, it doesn't work. It can not be secured. PERIOD


AggieHank86
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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Should people that can’t name the three branches of government or name the current VP or define the electoral college or spell cat really be able to vote?
The Founders (correctly) thought that each state should make this call for itself. I tend to agree with them.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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No, it doesn't work.

The states that have MIV prior to 2020 have systems that work just fine and nobody raised any issues prior to the shitshow that was 2020, when states without the infrastructure or regulations tried to implement MIV and it was chaos.


the808bass
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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and nobody raised any issues prior to the shitshow that was 2020


Are you serious?



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redneck hippie
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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No we EXACTLY agree with one person, one vote


Hypothetical - would you be ok w people voting from their phones? If it were a 100% auditable and completely secure system?


STEVED00
North Carolina St. Fan
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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Yeah what % of the population actually needs MIV? It has to be incredibly small. Most states permit absentee voting for the elderly, so that removes a ton of the population that would be argued needs MIV.


There are definitely people that need the ability to vote absentee but it is small. (Elderly, home bound, out of the country, etc.).

That being said, you should need to request it and meet certain very easy to achieve security requirements.


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Flats
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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The states that have MIV prior to 2020 have systems that work just fine


It works if your metric is “count the votes on time”. Neither of us know how many fraudulent ballots are counted in such a system.


the808bass
SE Missouri Fan
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re: If Mail in Voting (even without fraud) leads to more extreme chaos for days after Tuesday
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It works if your metric is “count the votes on time”.


No, it doesn’t. We just don’t pay attention because the previously affected races weren’t National contests.


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