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re: I don’t believe Desantis is a RINO - I believe he’s being used by RINOS to manipulate you
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Ok fine. Trump spent all the money and Biden just was a total fiscal hawk and had no help whatsoever continuing to spin our wheels in the mud.
What are you going to do when Trump gets nominated? Because he will, for better or for worse.
What are you going to do when Trump gets nominated? Because he will, for better or for worse.
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:23 am to Wednesday
It didn’t have to be Trump vs Biden.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:26 am to roadGator
It didn’t have to be Gator - but it will be.
That’s all I’m trying to say.
I’d rather see Desantis fiscal policy than Trump’s first term fiscal policy but I would prefer both to the current situation.
Worst case scenario for everyone is Haley vs. Biden.
That’s all I’m trying to say.
I’d rather see Desantis fiscal policy than Trump’s first term fiscal policy but I would prefer both to the current situation.
Worst case scenario for everyone is Haley vs. Biden.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:34 am to 14&Counting
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Because we have a vision of a conservative opposition party that doesn't involve Donald Trump doesn't mean we have somehow been manipulated.....IT MEANS WE ARE NOT SHEEP AND THINK FOR OURSELVES.
I don’t think you’re sheep or stupid. Being conservative is great.
I think that Trump’s worldview and Desantis’s are similar. I just believe that the situation is such that the opposition party to the current shitshow - includes Trump just because millions of people will blindly support him. I’m not sure that is flattering - but there is an emotional connection with some of Trump’s base and Trump that ain’t ever going away. And that’s just baked in the cake.
Is there some reason that Desantis endorsing Trump and assisting him in actually winning the nomination and general is WORSE than Desantis losing the nomination and cutting off support and contact with the frontrunner? Because those are your options.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:36 am to Wednesday
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It didn’t have to be Gator - but it will be.
Nah, Trump has Alaska wrapped up. I will vote the candidate who most closely supports the issues I care about.
We're supposed to vote the candidate who we would most like to see in office and support our beliefs, not the one most likely to win.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:39 am to Wednesday
We all know Trump will be the nominee and most everyone will vote for him when push comes to shove.
But your OP stated that people who preferred or still prefer DeSantis have somehow been manipulated or duped simply because they see how deeply flawed Trump is and have concerns about his electability and/or what a second Trump term might hold. It just simply doesn’t occur to hard core Trump people that anyone could have another preference that doesn’t involve this cult of personality that revolves around the man…..that those people might have a different opinion, preference, or vision of how we move forward…….somehow the other 50% must have been manipulated instead of acknowledging they have minds of their own and can think for themselves and make their own decisions. It’s an arrogant as it is ridiculous assumption.
But your OP stated that people who preferred or still prefer DeSantis have somehow been manipulated or duped simply because they see how deeply flawed Trump is and have concerns about his electability and/or what a second Trump term might hold. It just simply doesn’t occur to hard core Trump people that anyone could have another preference that doesn’t involve this cult of personality that revolves around the man…..that those people might have a different opinion, preference, or vision of how we move forward…….somehow the other 50% must have been manipulated instead of acknowledging they have minds of their own and can think for themselves and make their own decisions. It’s an arrogant as it is ridiculous assumption.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:42 am to 14&Counting
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.somehow the other 50% must have been manipulated
Trump is a big spending liberal who ran under the Republican banner and is a fraud.
Unfortunately a lot of former "conservatives" have bought into his arrogant BS and now are ripe for Progressivism.
They already love big, activist government and spending.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:52 am to 14&Counting
Apologies if this somehow came across as if I were accusing you of being unable to think for yourself
I don’t think RDS would have run for president if he hadn’t been talked into it by ppl like Paul Ryan.
These ppl knew in advance that 30 % of Trump supporters had concerns about his electability and what a second term may hold. I can see that remains a VALID concern of RDS supporters.
The problem for all of us is that these GOPe types DON’T agree with RDS or Trump and they’re trying to regain their grip on the party.
These ppl were counting on your concerns to depress 30% of Trump’s support in the general.
RDS’s policy preferences are freaking awesome - and he isn’t lying about any of them to you, me or anyone. The math just isn’t there.
I don’t think RDS would have run for president if he hadn’t been talked into it by ppl like Paul Ryan.
These ppl knew in advance that 30 % of Trump supporters had concerns about his electability and what a second term may hold. I can see that remains a VALID concern of RDS supporters.
The problem for all of us is that these GOPe types DON’T agree with RDS or Trump and they’re trying to regain their grip on the party.
These ppl were counting on your concerns to depress 30% of Trump’s support in the general.
RDS’s policy preferences are freaking awesome - and he isn’t lying about any of them to you, me or anyone. The math just isn’t there.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:57 am to GumboPot
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quote:I think RDS was recruited by Uniparty RINOs in order to fracture Trump’s base. His campaign was designed by Uniparty RINOs to fracture Trump’s base. This theory was proposed my me and a few others on this board around last summer IIRC.
Yep. Whether Ron knows it or not, he is being controlled and was used to block Trump.
Rush was right again. They cannot separate Trump from his base. It’s defying conventional politics and driving them mad.
They are so used to controlling elections. And I don’t mean by cheating. They control who the candidates are. Well…until Trump.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:00 am to loogaroo
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, he is being controlled and was used to block Trump.
From what?
Does competition make you better or worse?
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:14 am to Wednesday
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RDS’s policy preferences are freaking awesome - and he isn’t lying about any of them to you, me or anyone. The math just isn’t there.
I disagree that RDS is somehow a tool of the GOPe and is a puppet. This is another instance when Trump supporters spout this sort of nonsense while ignoring the fact that Trump has taken money, endorsements, and worked with the same group. His biggest legislative win is attributable to Paul Ryan! He will probably lock up the nomination here shortly in South Carolina due to the biggest GOPe RINO Lindsey Graham. Yet somehow, Ron gets all the this criticism from the Trump base which is completely incapable of viewing Trump with the same critical lens.
Trump's brand of politics has worked as he has leveraged his hard core plurality to the nomination and likely the White House. But Trump's biggest flaw is his demanding political loyalty or else and trashing everyone else has alienated those who might be otherwise be sympathetic and support his message. It's why Trump should really never be spoken of the same way as Ronald Reagan. Trump is incapable of being a unifier and building coalitions and leading and it's why I think a second Trump term will be largely ineffective.....albiet better than the alternative.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:14 am to the808bass
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He hasn’t posted since the beginning 12th. What new dumb poster started posting then?
I can post. I was told to stop getting under your skin so I’ve sat back and watched the retarded debates.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:15 am to Wednesday
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That’s all I’m trying to say.
But it’s not all you said.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:16 am to 14&Counting
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I disagree that RDS is somehow a tool of the GOPe and is a puppet.
This GOPe is a mythical ghost these people made up. Part of the cult language.
Donny tried to Hijack the Republican party for his populist views, and these rubes blame the party.
Populism isnt compatible with conservatism.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:21 am to Wednesday
I don't think Desantis needed any prodding from anyone to run for the presidency.
He's a type A guy who went up against another type A and lost.
This whole idea that the only reason he ran is because people were telling him to behind the scenes is silly.
He'll lick his wounds and probably try again in 2028 - he wouldn't be the first to have to run multiple times before winning.
He's a type A guy who went up against another type A and lost.
This whole idea that the only reason he ran is because people were telling him to behind the scenes is silly.
He'll lick his wounds and probably try again in 2028 - he wouldn't be the first to have to run multiple times before winning.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:24 am to Wednesday
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I don’t think RDS would have run for president if he hadn’t been talked into it by ppl like Paul Ryan.
That’s because, again, you have to tell yourself such utterly stupid bullshite to justify your Trump support. And then you can justify not attacking Ron anymore because “he separated himself from these bad actors”.
Ryan has nothing whatsoever to do with Desantis. Nothing. Zero.
But guess what? Trumps literal closest advisor and the guy that runs his entire campaign, Chris Lacivita…his best friend on earth is Paul Ryan
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:27 am to loogaroo
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Yep. Whether Ron knows it or not, he is being controlled and was used to block Trump.
Provide any evidence whatsoever. Again these are lies you have to tell yourself. It’s absolute nonsense and false.
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Rush was right again.
In the very last segment of Rush’s very last show…
He spent much of the time praising Desantis and called him one of the greatest conservatives ever.
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They cannot separate Trump from his base
This wasn’t a compliment.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:27 am to 14&Counting
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Because we have a vision of a conservative opposition party that doesn't involve Donald Trump doesn't mean we have somehow been manipulated.....
Are you kidding me?
The whole purpose of Presidential campaigns is to manipulate and cajole voters into supporting your candidate over other options.
I certainly hold no illusions that Trump is not a manipulative campaigner.
Yet that the DeSantis campaign failed miserably at converting “listless vessels” to support his candidacy doesn’t mean DeSantis somehow represented the candidacy of purity and light and only appealed to the better instincts of voters.
With that said, I certainly believe there were valid and legitimate reasons to support DeSantis over Trump.
This of course applies equally to Trump.
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IT MEANS WE ARE NOT SHEEP AND THINK FOR OURSELVES.
Again, It's a stupid and insulting assumption.
Who is this collective “we”?
Are you presuming to speak for every DeSantis supporter on this forum?
I speak only for myself here yet after watching this back and forth between the so-called “Cultists” and “Ronbots” for the past year, I believe supporters on both sides of the Trump/DeSantis divide are at fault for the bitterness and rancor that exists between the two opposing camps on this forum.
Whatever your opinion of Trump or DeSantis and whoever you want to blame for the anger that exists in the opposing camps, Wednesday’s point that the DeSantis campaign has only served to fracture the MAGA movement — and I certainly include DeSantis as a member of that movement — has been proven correct.
Again, this leads me to the conclusion that there were elements in DeSantis’ campaign whose main purpose was to fracture the MAGA base, not secure the nomination for DeSantis.
That the DeSantis campaign was little more than a slow-motion train-wreck from beginning to end certainly makes it easy to come to such a conclusion.
Be that as it may, I have repeatedly made it clear that DeSantis continuing to campaign keeps Haley from gaining any momentum.
The continuation of DeSantis’ campaign thus should be supported by Trump’s base and indeed anyone who recognizes that neocon witch for what she is.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:30 am to Toomer Deplorable
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I believe supporters on both sides of the Trump/DeSantis divide are at fault for the bitterness and rancor that exists between the two opposing camps on this forum.
Nope.
I reject your equivalency.
It was Trump and his sick vile people that started this and did it for 6 months before Ron even announced.
They and him himself accused Desantis of the most despicable things imaginable. Deeply personal things well beyond policy and normal politics.
This is 100% on Trump.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:33 am to GetMeOutOfHere
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He'll lick his wounds and probably try again in 2028 - he wouldn't be the first to have to run multiple times before winning.
Biden is a perfect example....he had to drop out back in 1988 after getting caught plagiarizing a speech and had couple of false starts and early drop outs, and then was passed over by Obama for Hillary. Reagan and Nixon had a couple of setbacks before winning the nomination then the White House. 2028 will come around and Ron will be looking pretty fricking good compared to the alternatives and the Trump supporters will be singing another tune.
Good article in the Mail this morning: Ron is already strategizing about 2028.
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