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re: I disagree with Dan Bonginos about 3rd parties. He is massively opposed.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:04 pm to dclt145
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:04 pm to dclt145
quote:You can't argue against this. Reasonable minds cannot differ on it. You have a numbers problem. Even if you didn't, this would just be a rename game. Bongino is 100% correct.
He said 3rd parties are bad because it guarantees democrat victories.
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:05 pm to dclt145
Bongino is correct
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:08 pm to dclt145
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why instead we should reform the Republican Party.
Only way is to vote out every spineless incumbent. Not a red wave, but a new Red Rouge wave with in the party. Primary every one of em.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:11 pm to dclt145
Include legalization of weed in the Patriot party and watch the people flood into it.
From both sides.
From both sides.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:21 pm to OTIS2
No he isn't. We can't vote out shitty republicans because they replace them with just as shitty Republicans. We have to cut off the branch that does not bear fruit and foster a new budding branch. The people in control at the RNC will never let a Trump happen again. The only way they feel the pain is by moving away from the party. With the exception of a handful of republican representatives and even less senators, they are all members of the same monolith. The carrot they dangle before us of "if the democrats are left unchecked they will do whatever they want!" has grown rotten with the proof of recent actions withholding support of our president, our voting and our foundational beliefs without stopping a single meaningful bit of leftist power grabs. I want to emphasize that electing Republicans WILL NOT stop the leftist agenda, nor will it provide even the basic level of support for the values we hold dear.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:23 pm to Simplemaaan
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He gave a good example of how, I think, Woodrow Wilson won with only 41% because Teddy and some other Repub split 50+%.
I’m good with the Democrats winning a few if it means the utter destruction of a bunch of thieves, liars, and backstabbers. At least I know what’s coming with Democrats.
The last big thing the gop did was balance the budget, and that didn’t even address the debt. Now look at us 25 years later. No budgets nor care of tracking spending. Healthcare is still a mess, patriot act still there, and any hint of justice and holding those who broke the law accountable went out the window. The Obama administration actively spied on another presidential candidate and nothing happened while the republicans could take action.
The gop needs to be destroyed. There is no party for a conservative these days. Actions speak louder than words. I haven’t had a party affiliation in 5 years.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Why don’t we just vote out trash like McConnell, Graham, etc?
Because Trump just got both of them re-elected for 6 years and Dominion and/or mail votes
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:26 pm to Junky
quote:We are the GOP. You people are loony toons
The gop needs to be destroyed. There is no party for a conservative these days.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Why don’t we just vote out trash like McConnell, Graham, etc? Problem solved
Not quite. The reason trash like McConnell, Graham et al, are in leadership positions throughout the Republican Party is because that is exactly where the establishment money wants them to be. Vote them out, see what happens. They have an endless supply of spineless legislators waiting to take their place. We’ve been voting out shitty Republicans since I started voting over 30 years ago. What’s there now? Shitty Republicans.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:33 pm to dclt145
I don't know what Bongino is arguing exactly, but my view is a 3rd party is the more difficult strategy going forward and has the least chance of finding success.
The looney far Left figured out how to take over the Dem party in spite of a majority of Dems not supporting so much of the far left platform. Why is it so difficult for a majority of Republicans to take control of the party?
The looney far Left figured out how to take over the Dem party in spite of a majority of Dems not supporting so much of the far left platform. Why is it so difficult for a majority of Republicans to take control of the party?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:38 pm to David_DJS
Because the "looney left" had the support of financial kingpins. Good luck getting the wealthy to support conservative values.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:51 pm to dclt145
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Yes, a 3rd party might allow the democrats to win a lot of elections in the short term
I have no doubt if the ultra-liberals see the ultra-conservatives break away to form a new party, they will form a break-away party as well.
They will be asking the same question we are: Why do we stick with these moderates who care about preserving their gravy train while never moving the needle on the real issues?
We will go from two major parties to four parties overnight.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:51 pm to dclt145
This is all academic and largely moot at this point.
The Dems cracked the code. They don't even have to mobilize their own base or voters ever again. They manufacture push polls during the campaign and just run their vote farms in key cities to make up whatever the deficit is, over however many days it takes.
Until there is real, meaningful pushback (and they control too many levers of power for that to ever be the case - at least in our lifetimes with the government's current configuration), this WILL NOT CHANGE.
Period.
I recommend finding another hobby. (Yet, here I am...)
The Dems cracked the code. They don't even have to mobilize their own base or voters ever again. They manufacture push polls during the campaign and just run their vote farms in key cities to make up whatever the deficit is, over however many days it takes.
Until there is real, meaningful pushback (and they control too many levers of power for that to ever be the case - at least in our lifetimes with the government's current configuration), this WILL NOT CHANGE.
Period.
I recommend finding another hobby. (Yet, here I am...)
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:03 pm to AlxTgr
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We are the GOP. You people are loony toons
GOP is a party fiull of losers. Have fun licking Biden’s taint, shithead.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:27 pm to David_DJS
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I don't know what Bongino is arguing exactly,
See the 92 election- Clinton, bush and Perot.
It’s not hard to understand what Bongino is saying.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:01 pm to dclt145
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3. The Republican Party leadership will conduct fair primary elections.
The Republican Party is a private organization, its a club. They don't even have to have primary elections, they are not required by law. Remember how they had various presidential primaries in 2016 like Colorado that didn't even allow voters in the state to cast a primary vote, but instead Colorado's primary delegates were selected by the state's party leadership? They could do that for every state if they wanted to. The Republican leadership can easily change rules and rig things to ensure their handpicked stooges get through.
I understand Bongino's point. I think Bongino underestimates the disgust so many hard working Patriots have with the dima nd Repub parties. A vote for a Deep State establishment Repub is very close to voting for a dim. We gave them a chance, and when we needed them to stand up for our right of one person one vote, they sat on their hands. We do not need cowards. The Repub party will not give us courageous leaders. They give us cowardly leaders. Look at little Lindsay, Mitch, Mittens, McCain, Kemp Rafflesberger, Cassidy, etc. All of them betrayed the republican voters, and we will NOT forget it. There was a Walkaway movement. The dim party has left many voters who will never join the repub party. Many of those people would jump to a Patriot Party. A party for the working class.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:04 pm to dclt145
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Yes, a 3rd party might allow the democrats to win a lot of elections in the short term, but starting a 3rd party is a long term, not short term, battle.
I think the concern is what the country looks like when we finally get to the “long term”.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:26 am to Giantkiller
quote:You're dumb
GOP is a party fiull of losers. Have fun licking Biden’s taint, shithead.
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