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How many prior national emergencies were declared AFTER failing to pass legislation?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:26 pm
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This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 2:08 pm
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:27 pm to cahoots
Tree fiddy
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:27 pm to cahoots
Threeve
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:29 pm to cahoots
What didn't get congressional support in this case?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:30 pm to cahoots
You're absolutely right. This Declaration of Emergency is an indictment of an out of touch congress. A congress which refused to work faithfully to ensure that the will of the people was done. A congress which put politics way ahead of national security in terms of importance.
Great point, cahoots
Great point, cahoots
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:31 pm to cahoots
There are miles of Steel slates along the border
These were approved by both parties, with majority of support. sometimes 100% support.
When (what president was in office) and why were these approved?
How many votes for extra border security and building of new steel slates, getting close to 100% support, all of a sudden become inhumane and manufactured?
Why wasn't it inhumane and manufactured before?
These were approved by both parties, with majority of support. sometimes 100% support.
When (what president was in office) and why were these approved?
How many votes for extra border security and building of new steel slates, getting close to 100% support, all of a sudden become inhumane and manufactured?
Why wasn't it inhumane and manufactured before?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:31 pm to cahoots
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How many prior national emergencies were declared AFTER failing to pass legislation?
And where the President in question said of the emergency he'd just declared, "I didn't really need to do this."
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:32 pm to 995webmaster
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"I didn't really need to do this."
Well he didnt if the resistance wasnt in full press
If Hillary claimed this you would probably cream your pants
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:32 pm to cahoots
quote:Every one of them were based on not passing legislation, however you want to define it.
How many prior national emergencies were declared AFTER failing to pass legislation?
Not in lieu of
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:34 pm to bstew3006
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There are miles of Steel slates along the border
These were approved by both parties, with majority of support. sometimes 100% support.
Hey we already have medicare. Most Republicans don't want to get rid of it entirely. So we should be able to expand it no problem right?
That's your logic. If you support 1 mile, you must support 1,000 miles?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:34 pm to cahoots
Congressional support =/= Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi support
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:36 pm to cahoots
Congress didn’t say “nah”...
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:38 pm to cahoots
He wanted the 5.7 billion giving the other side a chance to negotiate amnesty for Daca recipients. Instead, they didn’t help our them out at all and now hes probably getting 8 billion. This is a total fail by Congress.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:39 pm to cahoots
The level of support isn't relevant. Nancy called a wall immoral, then voted to allocate 1.5 billion dollars to it. So yes, that's an explicit endorsement of the wall.
If a dem president can find already budgeted funds to reallocate to expanding Medicare, go for it. It's a zero sum game in that case, so fiscally, it doesn't matter.
I would not outright oppose that situation either, since health in this society is bordering on a national emergency already. We need more reallocation of funds, away from useless stuff to useful stuff, yielding more efficient spending without throwing more money at it.
If a dem president can find already budgeted funds to reallocate to expanding Medicare, go for it. It's a zero sum game in that case, so fiscally, it doesn't matter.
I would not outright oppose that situation either, since health in this society is bordering on a national emergency already. We need more reallocation of funds, away from useless stuff to useful stuff, yielding more efficient spending without throwing more money at it.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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Every one of them were based on not passing legislation, however you want to define it.
yeah, but doesn't intent matter? Like most of them are about efficiency, not a lack of wide support. Congress didn't oppose the last few emergencies did they?
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:41 pm to cahoots
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most of them are about efficiency, not a lack of wide support.
304 Electoral votes = wide support
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:43 pm to cahoots
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Like most of them are about efficiency,
So was this. He would have gotten the 6 billion eventually. He weighed the cost of waiting against the cost of taking immediate action, whatever that may be (mostly political I imagine).
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:43 pm to cahoots
You don't think the wall has wide support?
You have your head in the sand if you think such. Context is important here, this was not a "normal" congressional situation by any means.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:46 pm to cahoots
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That's your logic. If you support 1 mile, you must support 1,000 miles?
No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy! Hypocrisy bc of who is in office.
They were 100% on board for starting previous wall and got it done.
It was part of the Democratic platform for years!
Chuck/Nancy/Obama spoke about expanding the security for 10 years...starting in 06
Dems were 100% on board in 13/14
what changed?
If it is manufactured, inhumane, immoral and walls don't work...why were they approved over the last 25-30 years? Maybe we should get funding to remove the existing wall, right?
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:46 pm to Vecchio Cane
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304 Electoral votes = wide support
I'm talking about congressional support. Congress didn't specifically oppose the other national emergencies that were declared. They are designed to avoid the red tape/bureaucracy in the event of emergencies.
This one is specifically going against the wishes of congress
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