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How many patient fatalities attributed to COVID-19 also had influenza present?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:11 pm
And how many deaths attributed to COVID-19 were due to pneumonia... of a type also associated with seasonal influenza?
Seasonal flu deaths are lower than the 20,000 to 30,000 annual deaths estimated in a 2010 NPR report. Maybe this is another data point to consider?
Seasonal flu deaths are lower than the 20,000 to 30,000 annual deaths estimated in a 2010 NPR report. Maybe this is another data point to consider?
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:13 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
not going to be a way of figuring this out. But I see where you're going with this, and just to play devil's advocate:
how many deaths from Dec-Jan were attributed to pneumonia which could have been the Wu-flu?
how many deaths from Dec-Jan were attributed to pneumonia which could have been the Wu-flu?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:13 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
pretty sure most people are tested for influenza before getting test for covid because the test is more readily available. At least that is what I have heard from local nurses. So I'm not sure a whole lot.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:15 pm to mostbesttigerfanever
quote:
how many deaths from Dec-Jan were attributed to pneumonia which could have been the Wu-flu?
If we find this is the case, then any action we took to "slow the spread" was pointless and was never going to have any effect whatsoever.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
In this climate, probably smaller than you think.
Or at least, they’ll rule out flu conclusively even if they can’t test for corona.
Or at least, they’ll rule out flu conclusively even if they can’t test for corona.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:16 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
How many cancer deaths are really pneumonia?
How many AIDS deaths were from pneumonia?
How many AIDS deaths were from pneumonia?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:19 pm to mostbesttigerfanever
quote:I think the answer to both our questions is that no one really knows.
not going to be a way of figuring this out. But I see where you're going with this, and just to play devil's advocate:
how many deaths from Dec-Jan were attributed to pneumonia which could have been the Wu-flu?
And in analyzing cause of death in elderly patients, I doubt a helluva lot of a coroner's lab budget is expended. Certainly not in NYC.
And in the vast majority of cases, the body is cremated long before anyone second-guesses the examiner's findings
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:22 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
See, the OP is an interesting question.
Another interesting question: can you get infected with both simultaneously?
1k people are dying per day and most of the country has been sheltered in place for 2+ weeks. How are so many new cases being found / how is it spreading so much?
Another interesting question: can you get infected with both simultaneously?
1k people are dying per day and most of the country has been sheltered in place for 2+ weeks. How are so many new cases being found / how is it spreading so much?
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:25 pm to Volvagia
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Or at least, they’ll rule out flu conclusively even if they can’t test for corona.
What do you base that opinion on? Any link to support it?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:37 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
No link but it’s standard of care to throw a flu test on an hospitalized individual with these symptoms under normal circumstances.
They aren’t exactly rare, hell you can buy home sample test kits for it.
So while there could definitely be false attribution to CoV-SARS-2, it is unlikely to come from flu.
They aren’t exactly rare, hell you can buy home sample test kits for it.
So while there could definitely be false attribution to CoV-SARS-2, it is unlikely to come from flu.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:42 pm to Volvagia
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So while there could definitely be false attribution to CoV-SARS-2, it is unlikely to come from flu.
Why would it be unlikely? Cause of death is pretty much identical, right? Pneumonia in most cases. Cardiac arrest in some.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:45 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Why would it be unlikely?
Flu tests are cheap and plentiful. Covid-19 tests are not. Everyone was using influenza as a rule-out for covid, and my hospital is still testing everyone for influenza even with a positive covid test.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:56 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I personally knew 3 older people that died last winter, that were elderly, already had respiratory problems. That was in a small town.
They developed pneumonia and that was it. How many did that happen to, all over the state? All over the country?
They developed pneumonia and that was it. How many did that happen to, all over the state? All over the country?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 12:58 pm to BamaAtl
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Flu tests are cheap and plentiful. Covid-19 tests are not. Everyone was using influenza as a rule-out for covid, and my hospital is still testing everyone for influenza even with a positive covid test.
My question is not whether tests for influenza are done. But when both influenza and Covid-19 are in a patient's system, how are CDC's databases apportioning cause of death between flu and covid, and any other contributing causation - diabetes, heart disease, etc?
My guess is that any patient with COVID in their system gets lumped into that "COVID-19 death" category, regardless of any other contributing disease or condition.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:00 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
It is a valid point. How many folks in the corona death count died with corona vs. died from corona, esp. in NY which is a shite show right now?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:00 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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But when both influenza and Covid-19 are in a patient's system, how are CDC's databases apportioning cause of death between flu and covid, and any other contributing causation - diabetes, heart disease, etc?
If someone had covid in the last month, tested positive for it, and died, it is almost certain that it was a contributing factor if not the contributing factor to that person's death at that time.
Because that's what killed them at that particular time.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:01 pm to auggie
I’ve said early on the people dying of “covid-19” were actually dying from the flu. We were on pace to hit 50,000 flu deaths this season. All early reports were that this was gonna be the worst flu season since 2016. Enter covid hysteria in February and all of a sudden flu deaths drastically drop. Coincidence???? I think not.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:02 pm to BamaAtl
Hey Bama, what are your thoughts on California?
I know the testing here is delayed, but it really does seem like it just won’t hit here nearly as hard as it has in NY
And we aren’t “behind” NYC
We had our first case before they did, and we went on lockdown before they did
I know the testing here is delayed, but it really does seem like it just won’t hit here nearly as hard as it has in NY
And we aren’t “behind” NYC
We had our first case before they did, and we went on lockdown before they did
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:03 pm to TigahTeeth
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all of a sudden flu deaths drastically drop. Coincidence???? I think not.
I'm glad you learned how competing viral epidemics work.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 1:04 pm to TigerCoon
quote:Particularly when you have a governor and mayor lusting for political capital and massive government handouts... and in the home of MSM who is more than willing to manufacture any imaginable form of propaganda - no holds barred.
It is a valid point. How many folks in the corona death count died with corona vs. died from corona, esp. in NY which is a shite show right now?
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