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How bad is the "deep state"?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:48 am
If I were to say that the "deep state" is a loosely defined group of powerful government officials, both elected and unelected, who are corrupt and use their positions in government to consolidate their power, enrich themselves and their allies, use blackmail to protect themselves, and make foreign policy decisions that put their own personal interests ahead of the those of the country. Everyone in the "deep state" is protected by the threat of mutually assured destruction - if one person goes down, everyone goes down, so they all have each other's back.
Is this a fair assessment, or not?
I would call the above description a "5" on a scale of 1 to 10.
Rank the influence of the "deep state", with 1 being that the deep state is just a conspiracy theory and there is nothing to it, to 10, being that the country is controlled by a global cabal of blue blood pedophiles who belong to Satanic cults, planned 9/11 and other red flag events, and pull all the strings of those who set US domestic and foreign policy.
The Please explain your ranking.
Is this a fair assessment, or not?
I would call the above description a "5" on a scale of 1 to 10.
Rank the influence of the "deep state", with 1 being that the deep state is just a conspiracy theory and there is nothing to it, to 10, being that the country is controlled by a global cabal of blue blood pedophiles who belong to Satanic cults, planned 9/11 and other red flag events, and pull all the strings of those who set US domestic and foreign policy.
The Please explain your ranking.
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:53 am to Jax-Tiger
10=bad. Importing (illegal) voters to "fundamentally change this Nation"...is not small thing.
Of course, "bad" is subjective. If you're a Transnational Progressive...they are the good guys; and the Constitutional-Principled "bitter clingers" stand in the way of Human progress.
Of course, "bad" is subjective. If you're a Transnational Progressive...they are the good guys; and the Constitutional-Principled "bitter clingers" stand in the way of Human progress.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:57 am to Jax-Tiger
They need to be rooted out and treated like the cockroaches they are.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:03 am to Jax-Tiger
Obviously not bad enough, since apparently a dime-store Nostradamus posting on an imageboard can "take" them down. 
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:11 am to Goforit
I understand in theory what the "deep state" is trying to do? With constant changes in the makeup of the House, Presidency and Senate I understand why people in various departments feel the need to operate as a cohesive unit.
In other words if you have a certain plan of action going on in the State Department and then President X is brought in and doesn't believe in that process, but the plan is in motion and promises have been made do you then scrap that program.
With that being said I do think that in its current form the "deep State" has grown to big and demands too much control....They do not always operate within the will of the American people. Deals like with Iran obviously was just a political payoff to not act up while Obama was in office.
In other words if you have a certain plan of action going on in the State Department and then President X is brought in and doesn't believe in that process, but the plan is in motion and promises have been made do you then scrap that program.
With that being said I do think that in its current form the "deep State" has grown to big and demands too much control....They do not always operate within the will of the American people. Deals like with Iran obviously was just a political payoff to not act up while Obama was in office.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:28 am to tigerterrace
I would have more trust with the FBI if Little Guido and Tracy Smothers were put in charge of it than I do now.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:31 am to Jax-Tiger
The term "deep state" has been wildly misused, probably deliberately, to render it meaningless.
The most succinct and descriptive term is "administrative state", which encompasses the full leviathan of federal beaurocracy.
The administrative state hinges on the idea that the "business" of federal government must continue through changes in the executive branch. The FDA still has to make sure meat isn't poisonous. The Dept of the Interior still has to make sure bridges aren't collapsing. Combine this with the averseness Congress has shown to cutting funding for any dept at any point, and these groups develop near-complete autonomy.
I believe the Trump administration is the first time in my lifetime, maybe the first time in history, that this group of bureaucrats has disagreed so strongly with the Executive that they felt the need to oppose the policy directives they were given. They know they can do so because in 1 year (or 5 years) they will still be there and Trump and his Cabinet won't. Imagine what you would do (or not do) if your boss was leaving at a set date and being replaced by someone his polar opposite.
This is also the first time that it has been revealed just how much autonomy the State Dept thinks it has from the President. They truly believe that they set the foreign policy of the country. How many years have they been correct?
Honestly, the upper third of management of every dept under the Executive Branch should be automatically terminated upon the conclusion of a Presidential election.
The most succinct and descriptive term is "administrative state", which encompasses the full leviathan of federal beaurocracy.
The administrative state hinges on the idea that the "business" of federal government must continue through changes in the executive branch. The FDA still has to make sure meat isn't poisonous. The Dept of the Interior still has to make sure bridges aren't collapsing. Combine this with the averseness Congress has shown to cutting funding for any dept at any point, and these groups develop near-complete autonomy.
I believe the Trump administration is the first time in my lifetime, maybe the first time in history, that this group of bureaucrats has disagreed so strongly with the Executive that they felt the need to oppose the policy directives they were given. They know they can do so because in 1 year (or 5 years) they will still be there and Trump and his Cabinet won't. Imagine what you would do (or not do) if your boss was leaving at a set date and being replaced by someone his polar opposite.
This is also the first time that it has been revealed just how much autonomy the State Dept thinks it has from the President. They truly believe that they set the foreign policy of the country. How many years have they been correct?
Honestly, the upper third of management of every dept under the Executive Branch should be automatically terminated upon the conclusion of a Presidential election.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:39 am to Jax-Tiger
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:44 am to Muthsera
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The term "deep state" has been wildly misused, probably deliberately, to render it meaningless.
The most succinct and descriptive term is "administrative state", which encompasses the full leviathan of federal beaurocracy.
I get the bureaucratic quagmire, but that is not the "deep state" as I view it. To me, the deep state is people within the government who have a separate agenda and work outside of the law. Whether their loyalty is to themselves, their party, their ideology, or something else. I believe deep statists can use the bureaucracy, but they aren't the same thing, necessarily.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:46 am to Jax-Tiger
Well, they're satanic
That's pretty much as "bad" as they can get
That's pretty much as "bad" as they can get
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:47 am to cahoots
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My problem is that people have begun throwing around "deep state" to the point of absurdity.
Agreed, hence the thread.
I do believe President Trump has appointed people who were not loyal to him, but had a separate agenda. I think he has weeded most of these people out, and that's why we don't hear so many stories about internal meetings, anymore.
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