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ibldprplgld
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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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What’s so weird about a gay guy volunteering at a gay recruitment center?



If that's your takeaway then you don't appreciate what troubled teens still go through. But opinions are like a-holes, everyone's got one.


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genro
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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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That's what makes you straight and me gay. And my point is, we've both always known it. Chicks do it for you, and dudes do it for me.
Sure and we just disagree on why that is. For us maybe it was just a strong genetic disposition, and no amount of conditioning or influence could ever change it. I'm just not sure that is necessarily true for everyone


ibldprplgld
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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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Sure and we just disagree on why that is. For us maybe it was just a strong genetic disposition, and no amount of conditioning or influence could ever change it. I'm just not sure that is necessarily true for everyone



I think we do agree on what causes it actually, it's just been lost in typing.

I do believe orientation is caused by part nature and by part nurture to be honest. What the breakdown of each is, who knows.
The only thing I would say is pretty much written in stone is that whatever the cause of it is, it's unchangeable by volition (I'm talking about actual attraction to men or women, not where you choose to stick your wiener).

You like women and you can't change that. I like men, and I can't change that. In both cases, it sounds like our behavior is consistent with our orientations, so to each his own.


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DisplacedBuckeye
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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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DSM


It's great when people who clearly don't understand this reference it...


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FooManChoo
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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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Both
What studies? Almost all the ones in your links that I saw were from the early 90's or earlier (70's and 80's).

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I've linked two very well-cited articles earlier in the thread to support my position.
You provided three links in total and I've read all three of them, believe it or not. None of the three mention anything about appearance of the victims except the UC Davis link that rips apart an anti-gay study done that included a psychological test where people were looking at pictures of faces of men and women from 18 years old to about 60. I didn't see anything at all about "effeminate males". I could have missed it, so please feel free to show me where in your links this was referenced.

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You're talking about smell test. If you just believe something in your gut to be true, who am I to rain on your parade. But I have provided enough "proof" from professionals that should at least incline you to examine what your gut tells you.
I'm not a stupid person. I can tell when something goes against the grain of what I consider common sense, experiential reality, or philosophical "truthiness" (I like that non-word).

I've been around the block a few times on these types of discussions and I've seen a lot of studies and heard a lot of evidence to support various positions so I think my "gut" is well trained to distinguish between things that "ring false" or "ring true", as Justice Kavenaugh's mom would say.

That said, there was a lot to be concerned about with those studies you linked to. Well, they were not really studies but interpretations of studies. Most of the studies used for the interpretations were all pretty old (25 years or older) when homosexuality was still pretty taboo in most of the world, including here in the U.S. Indeed, the UC David write-up even had this to say about the lack of recent studies: "Proving something that is already widely known simply isn't a priority for scientists" I find that to be a pretty poor excuse for something still so controversial even in 2018.

There was also the somewhat paradoxical views that molestation happens close to home where they are acts of opportunity while the aic.gov link said, "[...]and some child sex offenders go to great lengths to have access to large numbers of children to abuse and in some cases, even choose their employment based on this". Well, yeah, it makes sense that these would be acts of opportunity when opportunities are sought out by even choosing employment based on desire for sexual assault.

I had more to say on this but really it doesn't matter because my point is this: nothing you provided so far has supported the assertion that (heterosexual) male-male child molesters are looking for a pretty boy to molest.


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re: Homosexual Recruitmement Is Becoming A Thing
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A lot of ignorance in this thread.


Kudos to you for keeping your cool in this thread. Unfortunately, some people are beyond being reasoned with.


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