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Holy shite!!! An honest assessment of the impact of the Senate/Trump Tax Plan from MSN

Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:17 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98276 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:17 am
Yes, it's a fricking slide show. So sue me.

Pretty damned obvious that the middle class absolutely get an income tax cut of around 20% and that the percentage of the tax cut goes down as you get to higher income levels.

The fact that the Dems are being allowed to claim this is a boon to the rich at the expense of the middle class is a crime. It is nothing less than absolute lies.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:25 am to
Credit where credit is due.

That's a solid product for General Public consumption.

Shocking
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118524 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:29 am to
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Average salary: $76,730
Current tax: $12,321
Tax under the Senate plan: $10,180
Percent tax cut: 17.4%


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Average salary: $79,340
Current tax: $12,974
Tax under the Senate plan: $10,754
Percent tax cut: 17.1%

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Average salary: $81,490
Current tax: $13,511
Tax under the Senate plan: $11,227
Percent tax cut: 16.9%


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Average salary: $85,180
Current tax: $14,434
Tax under the Senate plan: $12,103
Percent tax cut: 16.1%


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Average salary: $87,220
Current tax: $14,944
Tax under the Senate plan: $12,592
Percent tax cut: 15.7%


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Average salary: $89,730
Current tax: $15,571
Tax under the Senate plan: $13,195
Percent tax cut: 15.3%


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Average salary: $91,620
Current tax: $16,044
Tax under the Senate plan: $13,648
Percent tax cut: 14.9%

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Average salary: $98,620
Current tax: $17,794
Tax under the Senate plan: $15,328
Percent tax cut: 13.9%

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Average salary: $100,560
Current tax: $18,279
Tax under the Senate plan: $15,794
Percent tax cut: 13.6%


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Average salary: $102,260
Current tax: $18,704
Tax under the Senate plan: $16,202
Percent tax cut: 13.4%


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Average salary: $104,610
Current tax: $19,361
Tax under the Senate plan: $16,766
Percent tax cut: 13.4%


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Average salary: $105,600
Current tax: $19,638
Tax under the Senate plan: $17,004
Percent tax cut: 13.4%


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Average salary: $108,880
Current tax: $20,556
Tax under the Senate plan: $17,791
Percent tax cut: 13.5%

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Average salary: $112,010
Current tax: $21,433
Tax under the Senate plan: $18,542
Percent tax cut: 13.5%


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Average salary: $114,120
Current tax: $22,023
Tax under the Senate plan: $19,048
Percent tax cut: 13.5%


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Average salary: $116,320
Current tax: $22,639
Tax under the Senate plan: $19,576
Percent tax cut: 13.5%


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Average salary: $120,270
Current tax: $23,745
Tax under the Senate plan: $20,524
Percent tax cut: 13.6%


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Average salary: $123,100
Current tax: $24,538
Tax under the Senate plan: $21,204
Percent tax cut: 13.6%


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Average salary: $139,880
Current tax: $29,236
Tax under the Senate plan: $25,231
Percent tax cut: 13.7%


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Average salary: $144,140
Current tax: $30,429
Tax under the Senate plan: $26,253
Percent tax cut: 13.7%

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Average salary: $152,770
Current tax: $32,845
Tax under the Senate plan: $28,324
Percent tax cut: 13.8%


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Average salary: $173,860
Current tax: $38,751
Tax under the Senate plan: $33,535
Percent tax cut: 13.5%


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Average salary: $194,350
Current tax: $44,488
Tax under the Senate plan: $40,092
Percent tax cut: 9.9%

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Average salary: $200,810
Current tax: $46,297
Tax under the Senate plan: $42,159
Percent tax cut: 8.9%


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Average salary: $228,780
Current tax: $55,465
Tax under the Senate plan: $51,613
Percent tax cut: 6.9%


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Average salary: $269,600
Current tax: $68,935
Tax under the Senate plan: $65,900
Percent tax cut: 4.4%
Posted by zunic
Dallas
Member since Nov 2014
921 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:29 am to
Not for everyone. It depends on what deductions you take.

Also they sunset. Corporate taxes do not.

Also they add to the national deficit.

Also a higher percentage of the overall cuts goes to corporations and the rich.

MSNBC literally talks about this all day every day. Get off of Fake News Channel for 3 seconds.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 8:30 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118524 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Also they sunset.


They have to because of the Byrd Rule and no Democrat support.

However upon sunset they will be re-upped in congress.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39348 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:33 am to
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Also they add to the national deficit.



Look maw! Another bit of liberal stupidity.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139642 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:33 am to
Progressives turning into deficit hawks. It's glorious after their savior's 8 years running it up on the backs of the middle class.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:33 am to
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Not for everyone. It depends on what deductions you take.

No shite. What? You wanted 1000 slides?

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Also they sunset. Corporate taxes do not
Talk to me in 10 years. In 2017, IDGAF

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Also they add to the national deficit.
Well hell. What was I thinking? Cause everyone knows when we don't reduce taxes, we never run deficits!!!

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Also a higher percentage of the overall cuts goes to corporations and the rich.
Argument from envy, nothing more.

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MSNBC literally talks about this all day every day. Get off of Fake News Channel for 3 seconds.
Um........The link is MSN dumb arse
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118524 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:35 am to
quote:

Also they add to the national deficit.


If GDP is 3% or greater the deficit will decrease.
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14521 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:35 am to
quote:

Also they sunset
I keep seeing this but don't understand the problem. If I pay $100/yr now, will pay $70/year for the next decade, and then it goes back up to $100 after that, is that not a tax cut?

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Also a higher percentage of the overall cuts goes to corporations and the rich
Since half the country pays no taxes, how exactly could any cut be allocated to that demographic? A millionaire who has his taxes cut 5% will save more gross dollars than a $50k guy with a 20% tax cut. No way around it. I know libs don't like math, but bruh.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37369 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:35 am to
Anyone else disgusted by the overal percentage of taxes most people pay?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139642 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:37 am to
The increase is 2 points over 10 years. Find two pennies to cut from every fricking fed gov agency and give more money back to Americans. Progressives are complete trash.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139642 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:37 am to
She's not a liberal.
Posted by TiggerB8t
Member since Oct 2013
691 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:37 am to
And.....another bit of liberal hypocrisy!
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
39874 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:38 am to
TRUMP 2020

Puts you back to work and lets you keep more of your hard earn dollars.

Food on the table = votes.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118524 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:39 am to
quote:

I keep seeing this but don't understand the problem. If I pay $100/yr now, will pay $70/year for the next decade, and then it goes back up to $100 after that, is that not a tax cut?



The bill has to be crafted like this to satisfy the Byrd Rule in the senate and pass the bill with a simple majority via reconciliation.

When those sunsets come due there will be TREMENDOUS pressure on congress to not increase taxes and they will vote to block the increases.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52718 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Not for everyone. It depends on what deductions you take.


And? Not everyone is the same.

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Also they sunset.


Sadly, that's the only way it gets passed. Thank the Dems and RINO's.

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Corporate taxes do not.


Great. More jobs in America is a good thing.

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Also they add to the national deficit.


No shite Sherlock. But as long as you accompany the tax cuts with spending cuts, then it's a win. Trump's already started cutting many departments. State being a big one.

quote:


Also a higher percentage of the overall cuts goes to corporations and the rich.



Ok sparky...

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MSNBC literally talks about this all day every day. Get off of Fake News Channel for 3 seconds.



You're getting your news from MSNBC....

Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7829 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:59 am to
quote:

Also they add to the national deficit.


Come on bud. Take a minute to stop listening to media outlets and analyze the real impacts. Start with accounting for economic growth and work your way back.

quote:

Also a higher percentage of the overall cuts goes to corporations and the rich.


No shite sherlock. They pay more by percentage, so they get a larger cut by percentage.

But hey, cool talking points bro. Does Pelosi send those out daily or weekly?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25291 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:02 am to
quote:

he fact that the Dems are being allowed to claim this is a boon to the rich at the expense of the middle class is a crime.


They are allowed to say any stupid thing that you want. Doesn't make it true.

Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25291 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:05 am to
The tax reform package is good for the middle class. Democrats are upset that they'll have pressure to renew them the year after Trump leaves office (2025) and the package destroys their Obamacare mandate.

I imagine they are super-pissed that big-government progressives in states like New Jersey and California may not be able to deduct all of their massive state tax bill anymore. You'd think that people that support more government would be okay with paying more.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 9:06 am
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