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re: HISTORY, DISCOVERIES & THEORIES: Ancient Antiquities / Timelines / Lost & Found
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:37 pm to rooster108bm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:37 pm to rooster108bm
And here we are, and we wonder why we are spoon fed.
I will say that many have tried and are denied access.
I will say that many have tried and are denied access.
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Posted on 1/29/22 at 1:15 am to Liberator
Who was behind this? What really happened?
Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:24 pm to CaptEasy
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Dude, if you read some books, you wouldn’t believe the kind of stuff they could do in 1846.
FWIW, dude -- I happen to *own* books published from the mid-1800s-1920s.
The available "power", tools, machinery and tech weren't close to capable of "old world" buildings, structures and forts we are TOLD were ALL conveniently constructed in the era between 1840-1910.
Has anyone noticed the odd timeline??
But what's missing in nearly every single case? *Legit* DOCUMENTATION. PHOTOS. RECORDS.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:37 pm to kingbob
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Bricks were very easy to mass produce and move via water in large quantities in 1846.
For comparison's sake: Fort Jefferson: 16 million bricks; The Empire State Building: 10 million bricks.
But at least those 10 million bricks were going to be put to good use; would be infinitely easier to produce, move, and enginner -- and was conveniently located. 75 years later.)
Brief history on "modern" brickmaking:
Bricks were made by hand until about 1885. Once the Industrial Revolution broke out, the brickmaking machinery was introduced. Consequently, the number of clays that could be made into brick was greatly increased which influenced the production capacity. Handmade brick production ranged up to 36,000 bricks per week but by 1925 a brickmaking machine made 12,000 bricks a day.
Source:
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Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:46 pm to lsu480
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Who was behind this? What really happened?
Maybe during the 1990-2010 construction there was actual documentation? Photos? Videos? Actual eyewitness accounts? Other than that...
That's a cool photo; You know what I find fascinating about that 1990 vs 2010 photo? Those European-styled olde world buildings. (especially the building with clock that appears it could have easily been built in the 1600-1770s).
In the 2010 Shangai photo you can also see a building in old Greco-Roman style that looks like a DC federal building with columns...AND to the far left in both photos -- the smaller building with green lit roof is still left standing by the Chicoms.
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Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:53 pm to Liberator
Everyone knows bricks werent invented until 1900 and ships that could traverse the earth shortly after that. Has to be some other crazy reason for this fort to have been built.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:54 pm to Liberator
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It is also a "Star Fort"
No it isn’t. It’s a polygonal fort that came to be popular after star forts.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:55 pm to Bard
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And you know what these "star bases" have in them? Chambers. That's right "star chambers"!
Think about that, sir!
Great observations.
Did you know there are over a documented 300 Star Forts in the
world? And that's besides the hundred or thousand of others that are partially exposed...hidden...and buried.
Here's the big question:
WHO built them all? When? For what REAL purpose? The "historians" and "narrative" don't officially tell us other than that they were "all built to be "military fortresses" at the time. This is patently untrue.
This MAY have been used as "military forts" eventually, but not initially. Later on they were re-purposed like many buildings & structures. MANY over hundreds and thousands of years have indeed been "re-purposed." They are often re-facaded by brick and stone. In Rome, this is obvious.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 3:57 pm to beerJeep
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It’s a polygonal fort that came to be popular after star forts.
What's your argument or point? Is it shape? Timeline? Purpose? Definition?
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:01 pm to trinidadtiger
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Star shaped or bastion designed forts were "invented" by Michelangelo, thats some wide band width individual there.
So now somebody is claiming Michelangelo "invented" Star Forts? I would have thought it would have been DaVinci.
Many claim the "bandwidth" of ALL of those so-called Masters of Everything who are credited with inventing/building a gazillion things is waaay too wide as well.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:02 pm to Liberator
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What's your argument or point?
The fact that it’s not a star fort….
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Is it shape? Timeline? Purpose? Definition?
A bit of all of the above.
Star forts proceeded polygonal forts. Star forts (obviously) are shaped like stars and consist of multiple cavaliers, triangular bastions, earthworks etc.
They became popular due to the rise of gunpowder and SMOOTH BORE artillery. They were relatively thin walled and NOT made of bricks.
Polygonal forts came AFTER star forts and the rise of much more powerful large bore RIFLED artillery. They are typically made of brick as brick is able to absorb and take a bearing from larger bore RIFLED artillery. They are also MUCH thicker walled.
The fact that you don’t know the difference between the two is kind of telling, baw.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:06 pm to Liberator
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So now somebody is claiming Michelangelo "invented" Star Forts?
Well, he did. At least in terms of what we today understand is a star fort.
Is he the first to design a fort in the shape of a star? Highly highly highly doubtful. But he was the first to design and construct a star fort with the structures and designs used to combat the rise of smooth bore gunpowder artillery and standard gunpowder technology.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:11 pm to Liberator
I was just standing on top of Fort Jefferson walls last Wednesday. We took the seaplane from Key West.
fricking incredible place no matter who built it.
Simply amazing and beautiful!
fricking incredible place no matter who built it.
Simply amazing and beautiful!
This post was edited on 1/29/22 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:35 pm to LookSquirrel
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That was fun. Wanna do another?
Mystery Of The Lost Underground City Of The Grand Canyon
Su-weeet! Great find. Nice article in the Gazette! I'd also read up on this phenomena. Wild. The article and claims are far too detailed -- plus there is the oral Indian history. Then there is also the Egyptian reaction to the discovery of artifacts, hieroglyphics, treasures, etc.
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Ever since an intriguing article reporting the discovery of a great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon appeared in the Arizona Gazette in 1909, scientists have debated whether the story is true or a hoax. Several alternative history authors and researchers, among them David Hatcher Childress believe the discovery did occur and this is yet another archaeological cover-up.
I believe both claims.
The G.E. Kinkaid discovery was genuine. The irony of course was that his expedition was sponsored BY the corrupt Smithsonian -- who predictably denied having ANY any association with Kinkaid and his associate. 100 years ago it was, "HOAX!" 100 forward it's "Conspiracy Theorist!"
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This region of the Grand Canyon being off limits to us pleebs, to this very day does not help quell some of the inquisitive minds.
Yup. And the "Off Limits!" declaration -- That's the second thing the PTB do to hide inconvenient truth. *cough, ANTARCTICA*/ North Pole area)
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[They] Lie about things and we start questioning everything. As well we should.
I don't expect much, if any discussion on this, just sayin.
This deserves its own thread. But of course "The Science" is especially disappointing, lying about nearly EVERY dayum thing these days; Institutional "truth" has been routinely tweaked and bent, or the lies were/are bold-faced and by omission. In many cases truth can not even be challenged.
Btw -- Incredible link and great read. Unbelievable info.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:37 pm to beerJeep
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The fact that you don’t know the difference between the two is kind of telling, baw.
AND...now you've just discredited yourself. Baw.
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Star forts proceeded polygonal forts. Star forts (obviously) are shaped like stars and consist of multiple cavaliers, triangular bastions, earthworks etc.
They became popular due to the rise of gunpowder and SMOOTH BORE artillery. They were relatively thin walled and NOT made of bricks.
Historically speaking? You haven't a clue.
This post was edited on 1/29/22 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:41 pm to Liberator
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AND...now you've just discredited yourself. Baw.
I discredited myself by proving you wrong? quote:
Historically speaking? You haven't a clue.
Again, what we call a star fort…. Was designed and implemented for that very reason.
That isn’t saying that forts shaped like stars didn’t exist before.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:48 pm to beerJeep
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He (Michelangelo) was the first to design and construct a star fort with the structures and designs used to combat the rise of smooth bore gunpowder artillery and standard gunpowder technology.
Geez -- Here we go.
Star Forts were NOT designed as "military fortresses"; THAT is the re-purposed function AND narrative. These AND Olde World buildings and structures were BUILT AT A PRIOR TIME (see Banks, Armories, Libraries, Jails, "Sanitariums", Govt Buildings, etc.)
Institutional and "historical" narratives & sources are JUST THAT. Cover must always be contrived or created that helps explain inexplicable structures, their build date, and means -- no matter flimsy or nonsensical.
PROBLEM: Scientists, Historians, etal NEVER want to admit, "I JUST DON'T KNOW." (Because they know curious people WILL seek the answer.)
Let's check out your links anyway.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:53 pm to Liberator
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These AND Olde World buildings and structures were BUILT AT A PRIOR TIME
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no matter flimsy or nonsensical.
Dude, star forts and polygonal forts are a modern reinvention of prior fort designs used for their effectiveness against gunpowder weaponry present during their arrival on scene.
I can’t make you see that but, go ahead and believe what you want
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:53 pm to Liberator
Not gonna lie, I had similar feelings walking through DC.
Those fricking massive buildings built from granite and shite were built 250 yrs ago? Seems crazy tbh.
Those fricking massive buildings built from granite and shite were built 250 yrs ago? Seems crazy tbh.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 4:57 pm to blueboxer1119
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Those fricking massive buildings built from granite and shite were built 250 yrs ago?
Check out what man made “prior to settling down and the rise of agriculture” over at Göbekli tepe. We’ve been building amazing shite for a long long long arse time baw.
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