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Hiking Minimum Wage an Inefficient Tool to Fight Poverty: Fed Research

Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:55 pm
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Increasing the minimum wage is an inefficient way to reduce poverty, according to a Fed research paper that comes amid a national clamor to hike pay for workers at the low end of the salary scale.

David Neumark, visiting scholar at the San Francisco Fed, contends in the paper that raising the minimum wage has only limited benefits in the war against poverty, due in part because relatively few of those falling below the poverty line actually receive the wage.

Many of the benefits from raising the wage, a move already undertaken by multiple governments around the country as well as some big-name companies, tend to go to higher-income families, said Neumark, who also pointed to research that shows raising wages kills jobs through higher costs to employers. Neumark is a professor of economics and director of the Center for Economics and Public Policy at the University of California, Irvine.


quote:

Demographically, about half of the 3 million or so workers receiving the minimum are 16 to 24 years old, with the highest concentration in the leisure and hospitality industry, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


But the real reason it is inefficient? NBC buries it at end of article:

quote:

there are no workers in 57 percent of families below the poverty line,


LINK

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:56 pm to
Please forward a copy to John Bel Edwards.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39727 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:58 pm to
rice and beans.

If you have no worker in your family that is all you get. Nothing more.

Bare subsistence.

frick the folks who don't want to work. Simple as that.

I have no problem helping folks who are working low pay job. those who refuse to work should get squat.
Posted by Thrawn
Huntsville, AL
Member since Sep 2017
194 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:59 pm to


Wait a minute.

You're telling me people who work more make more money?

Who'dve thunk it?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69234 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:09 pm to
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You're telling me people who work more make more money?
One of the more annoying talking points from the left is the "working poor" narrative.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

Hiking Minimum Wage an Impossible Tool to Fight Poverty
FIFT

As long as greed reigns, there will be poverty.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259870 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

there are no workers in 57 percent of families below the poverty line,


Shocking!
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69234 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:27 pm to
what do you mean by greed?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89473 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:31 pm to
Starting to get up there in age, but still brilliant and unassailable, from an economics standpoint:

How not to be poor - Walter E. Williams (Townhall Link)
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9081 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:31 pm to
quote:


As long as greed reigns, there will be poverty.


If you're talking about greedy politicians, I agree. If you're talking about greedy business owners, you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259870 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

As long as greed reigns, there will be poverty.


Greed doesn't cause poverty
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

As long as greed reigns, there will be poverty.


What?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Starting to get up there in age, but still brilliant and unassailable, from an economics standpoint:

How not to be poor - Walter E. Williams (Townhall Link)



quote:

Most jobs start with wages higher than the minimum wage, which is currently $5.15. A man and his wife, even earning the minimum wage, would earn $21,000 annually. According to the Bureau of Census, in 2003, the poverty threshold for one person was $9,393, for a two-person household it was $12,015


Well one thing is for sure. If you are a 2 person household in 2003 with an income of 12K you're definitely a broke MFer
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89473 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:59 pm to
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If you are a 2 person household in 2003 with an income of 12K you're definitely a broke MFer


Thus the poverty line.

Would $21k for 2 people have made you a "broke MFER" in 2003? Use real (not OT) standards.


Of course not and that's the point. Today, 2 folks making minimum wage gross about $30k. That is not "frick you" money, for sure. That's not OT baller money. But, it isn't "broke" (and most jobs pay more).

What not working does is definitely make you poor AND offer little in the way of prospects of changing that.

And the higher up we push minimum wage, the more jobs we close off, particularly to young people and folks with few skills.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5843 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:04 pm to
My very liberal Mom says that one of this country's biggest problems is people are ashamed to be working poor. She was the youngest of 8 kids raised on the Atchafalaya river. My grandfather worked in the oil fields and they were working class poor as she called it. They worked hard feed the family and didn't have much left for all the extra's of the world. They were happy and hard working. You will always have poverty . You want to end illegal immigration take away welfare and i bet people on welfare will go to work doing the jobs only illegals will do.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69234 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

My very liberal Mom says that one of this country's biggest problems is people are ashamed to be working poor.
conversely, there are now areas of the nation, new orleans for example, where there isn't a lot of shame for not working.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

My very liberal Mom says that one of this country's biggest problems is people are ashamed to be working poor.conversely, there are now areas of the nation, new orleans for example, where there isn't a lot of shame for not working.


Honestly, those are related.

The same people who think it would be embarrassing to work in a shite job at the very least are saying via their actions that it's LESS embarrassing to not have a job at all.
Posted by Rock the Casbah
Member since Dec 2014
940 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:49 pm to
A minimum wage is a cruel, degrading tool of racists to keep black men unemployed and in jail.

seriously, not a joke.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5843 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:55 pm to
your'e correct and that's the problem. The small town where my mom grew up Melville has 4 sets of projects in a town of 1000. So my estimate is 40% of the town lives in govt assisted living. The drugs are rampart and so is the crime.
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