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High-School Then vs. Now
I was in high-school in the 90's, which wasn't THAT long ago. It was a rather rural public school in Alabammer, but it was not a small school. We had about 800 or so students. Most of the students were middle class (a few poors, a few rich). 95% were white with maybe a dozen or so black kids (who carried our football team, lol).

We had fights and groups of kids who were rivals. We had your standard jocks and cheerleader clique, your typical "outsider" cliques who wore black, and your redneck good ole baw cliques with their loud pick-ups and rebel flags. Outside of a fist fight here and there, we had people who might sneak in some weed or something. That was about as rowdy as we got. Most kids I am sure had guns at home, yet no one ever shot up the place. (I was in school right when the "gun free zone" stuff started as well as the "zero tolerance" for tobacco products).

Anyway, I often wonder why mass shootings were almost unheard of until Columbine in 1999. Then I thought about it and I think it's because most of us had a sense of respect for authority. Our principal was 6'4 and a former NFL football player. He took no shite. He would walk the halls during recess and just stare everyone down. Everyone always stood at attention like he was a military general when he walked by. It was almost like R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal jacket, except this guy was much bigger.

Even though we had a strict no alcohol, drugs and tobacco policy, we would see the principal often standing in his office at the front of the school with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and a cigarette in the other. I don't think he thought we could see him, but we all saw him through his big office window. His office was right by the walk way to enter the school.

I remember once a kid said something smart to him and he grabbed the kid by the shirt, picked him up off the floor and slammed him into the lockers. And the principal wasn't a young man, he was at least 60 at the time.

He also enforced strict grooming standards. I don't know if it was even legal or not, but he didn't care. If someone had some gay haircut, he would call them on it and tell them to go home. If you looked sloppy with your clothing, he would call you on that too.

If you ever got into trouble, you always tried to work it out with the teacher, because the last thing you wanted was to be sent to his office and have him personally give you licks. (Paddling was still legal, I think it's banned now).

Kids have always pushed boundaries, but the difference back then I think is no one wanted to get caught. Nowadays, kids DGAF because they run the schools. If a kid is bad, they coddle them and make excuses now.


Boatshoes
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I went to a public high school in Texas about ten years before you. It was a much larger 5A suburban school, but pretty similar situation (minus the Jack and Cigarettes). That public school system os dead, along with all those who staffed it.


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flyAU
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Guns were invented on April 19th 1999.

That’s when everything changed.
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Dock Holiday
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Went to public school about the same time frame, but my High School was twice as large as yours. You are correct, there was a certain respect we had for teachers and principles we all had and knew there were consequences for our actions, we pushed boundaries and dealt with the punishment.

I moved back to the same area I grew up and made a family decision to send my kids to private school, not for a better education, but to have a base at a young age they could reflect on that current public schools don't seem to provide. A base of values and respect for authority figures.


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ScoopAndScore
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re: High-School Then vs. Now
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Kids have always pushed boundaries, but the difference back then I think is no one wanted to get caught. Nowadays, kids DGAF because they run the schools. If a kid is bad, they coddle them and make excuses now

This is a good point


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FooManChoo
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tigerfootball10
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The democrat plan is being sowed daily. Break down the family unit, kick God out of everything, do whatever makes you feel good, drugs are OK, expose kids to sex/violence/immorality through music and movies. After it all falls apart there will be Big Daddy Government to fix it.


Zach
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The best discipline comes from sending a student the message 'you have no right to be here.'
My grandchildren go to academic magnet schools. The admission rate after testing is about 3 out of 10.

The students and parents understand the rules. If you misbehave or have poor grades we send you back to your shithole school where you actually have the right to attend. It scares the bejeezus out of them. There are no discipline problems.


TheFonz
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I went to high school in Baton Rouge and graduated in 1997. Never once in my school days did I ever think "gee, what if some nut came up in here and shot the place up?" I never felt unsafe at school. It was also as you described as far as groups and cliques, but no one ever become more violent than the occasional fight. It's amazing how much has changed in 20 years.


yallallcrazy
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By far the most important lesson I learned in school wasn’t in any syllabus.

It was the idea that in many situations, I needed to do something simply because an authority figure wanted me to do it. It didn’t matter how I felt about it or what I wanted. I just needed to do it.

That lesson is gone. Kids need to ‘express their individuality ‘ or ‘have their feelings considered ‘ or ‘their self esteem built up’


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Bard
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re: High-School Then vs. Now
I went to high school in the mid-late 80's in a very rural area in north Louisiana. Average total enrollment for 9-12 was around 400 students with about 30-40% black, while we still had cliques they weren't really well-defined.

Many who drove to school had firearms in their vehicles, during hunting season most of the guys were heading to the woods as soon as school was out.

No one dared sass a teacher in any way (much less the principal) because they were quick to call in the parents (and back then the parents blamed the kid first, usually).

People got in fights but no one ever even though to bring a firearm in. Ever. It just wasn't anything anyone ever thought of.

With the high-profiling of Columbine and the onslaught of social media though, the idea is out there and it becomes a romanticized means for gaining attention by kids who are not getting either enough attention or enough of the right kind. Being kids they don't think on the consequences beyond "people are going to pay attention to me". That's why I believe such shooters should always be titled with "Coward" by every media outlet any time they are mentioned. No one wants to be known as a coward, not even cowards (except for Samwell Tarly).


Brazos
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re: High-School Then vs. Now
The more PC the country becomes the more it turns to shite. There is no arguing this fact.


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No one dared sass a teacher in any way (much less the principal) because they were quick to call in the parents (and back then the parents blamed the kid first, usually).

I graduated in the mid-80's and was way more concerned with being disciplined by my parents than anything the school would do to me.

I seem to remember pick-up trucks with gun racks holding shotguns during duck season.

Football players dipping outside with coaches during lunch period. We had honor bathrooms and regular bathrooms. Smoking in an honors bathroom resulted in being expelled.

Student body was probably 65% white 35% black.

Our school was nominated for some sort of honor out of D.C. and I was selected to give the gentleman from D.C. a tour of the schIool.

When we went to the cafeteria for lunch the first thing he noticed was all the black kids sitting on one side of the room and all the white kids sitting on the other. He asked me why? I told him that everybody just sits with their buddies and that there were no racial issues it was just a matter of choice. He seemed fine with my answer.

We ultimately did receive the honor. I think it was Top 100 High Schools in the US.


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stout
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re: High-School Then vs. Now
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do whatever makes you feel good, drugs are OK, expose kids to sex/violence/immorality through music and movies.


I am pretty conservative and I have no issue with people putting whatever they want to into their own body as long as it doesn't affect innocent bystanders. I also have no issues with two consenting adults choosing to exchange money for sex.

I get what you are saying but it's hard to say you have conservative values and in the same breathe argue that we should seek to control people's choices.


Salmon
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The more PC the country becomes the more it turns to shite. There is no arguing this fact.


it isn't a fact

not even close


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During hunting season I bet 1/2 the cars in the parking lot had guns in them. Most in clear site hanging on gun racks in a truck.

Never would imagine of bringing one inside.

Guns aren’t the problem. Crazy mofos are the problem.


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Corch Urban Myers
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Of course it was that retard Biden who introduced the gun free zone legislation.


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The Spleen
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Some nut walked into a private school in my hometown with a gun and held a bunch of kids hostage in the late 80's. He didn't shoot anyone thankfully.

Every school in town was on lockdown all day that day.

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anc
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Kids haven’t changed.

Adults have changed.

Plus a child entering kindergarten today has a greater than 75% chance of never having a male teacher. Outside coaching, very few males in education and fewer good role model males.


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homesicktiger
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re: High-School Then vs. Now
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Some nut walked into a private school in my hometown with a gun and held a bunch of kids hostage in the late 80's. He didn't shoot anyone thankfully. Every school in town was on lockdown all day that day.


So, you’re saying there was not a school shooting that day?


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