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Salmon
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Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
Had a dinner with a buddy of mine that used to train LEOs for crisis/active shooter situations.

A few things that he stated:

- Officers are always trained to go into buildings during an active shooter situation, but this wasn't always the case. Columbine changed the training. Before officers were trained to wait for backup and a lot of old school cops still have this mentality ingrained in them.

- Officers are trained to not help victims during an active shooter situation. In fact, he said he would often tell his crisis actors to grab the officers legs during training to see if they would kick the victims off of them.

- Most SROs are old or the worst street cops. No one is going to put their best street cops in a school when chances they will never have to use their weapon. The best officers are more valuable on the street.

Just would like to hear from other LEOs how across the board this type of training is

and how would we solve the last issue


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and how would we solve the last issue
Short of giving school districts their own independent PDs like colleges (and not skimping on salary) I'm not sure how you can. Every PD has its humps and they gotta be assigned somewhere.
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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crisis actors


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Knew it was fake
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Kriegschwein
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
I only have experience with training SRT teams on use of their RG MRAPS.

The Colonel had to order me to do it. I wasn’t impressed.


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Azkiger
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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Most SROs are old or the worst street cops. No one is going to put their best street cops in a school when chances they will never have to use their weapon. The best officers are more valuable on the street.


Interesting angle, I hadn't thought about it like that.

My dad mentioned a suggestion to me earlier today, not sure if he thought of it on his own, but essentially start building police stations and schools next to one another.


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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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how would we solve the last issue


Stop pretending that protecting a school is equivalent to working traffic.


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MrCarton
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
The solution is to pull all federal money from schools and PD/SOs immediately.


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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
Getting rid of idiocy like the promise program would be a start.


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jamboybarry
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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- Officers are always trained to go into buildings during an active shooter situation, but this wasn't always the case. Columbine changed the training. Before officers were trained to wait for backup and a lot of old school cops still have this mentality ingrained in them.

- Officers are trained to not help victims during an active shooter situation. In fact, he said he would often tell his crisis actors to grab the officers legs during training to see if they would kick the victims off of them.

- Most SROs are old or the worst street cops. No one is going to put their best street cops in a school when chances they will never have to use their weapon. The best officers are more valuable on the street.


All 3 of these were pretty common knowledge


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BlackHelicopterPilot
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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and how would we solve the last issue



Unfortunately, there will ALWAYS be a non-zero risk in a free society.

It is horrifying and sad beyond belief whenever it (school shootings) happen and especially to the actually victims, their friends and families.


BUT... the idea that these rare occurrences should result in placing highly paid, well trained police personnel in every school is ridiculous.


We could eliminate traffic fatalities IF we made automobiles incapable traveling faster than 15 mph. That is too high a price to pay to eliminate the death risk.


It may seem cold...but, there IS a calculus to decide risk - cost to eliminate.




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airfernando
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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n, but essentially start building police stations and schools next to one another.


terrible idea


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GeauxxxTigers23
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
I really don’t understand what kind of special training is needed. You’re a cop. You carry a gun for a living and presumably have at least some training in how to use it and probably even a little training on how to clear a room. There’s a school full of kids getting shot up and you think the best course of action is to hang out outside? GTFO


TheHarahanian
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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see if they would kick the victims off of them


Wow, so it's actually like the video games.


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idlewatcher
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
Man, that training must be pretty fricking intense. I'm sure training around the country will be altered in some form or fashion in light of recent events.

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Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO
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Had a dinner with a buddy of mine that used to train




Salmon
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There’s a school full of kids getting shot up and you think the best course of action is to hang out outside? GTFO


Yeah. It is pretty disturbing. They quite literally failed at their only job.


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idlewatcher
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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There’s a school full of kids getting shot up and you think the best course of action is to hang out outside? GTFO


What's worse is that even though they cowered outside, he STILL just walked out.


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Salmon
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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
Sorry for the confusion. He recently got out for a less stressful job.

And FWIW, he mostly trained VA police.


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Tigerdev
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If we have passed the stage of pretending these shootings arent a rampant and escalating problem (looking at the conservatives who like to bring up stats to downplay any shooting relative to city crime) then i think we can start to treat it differently. School shootings occurring means that we need to better training and yes more qualified personnel guarding schools. Active shooter response needs me to required training for these guys and they need to demonstrate they can actually meet the need.


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re: Had a conversation with a buddy who trains LEO for crisis/active shooter situations
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- Officers are always trained to go into buildings during an active shooter situation, but this wasn't always the case. Columbine changed the training. Before officers were trained to wait for backup and a lot of old school cops still have this mentality ingrained in them.


Columbine was nearly 22 years ago. That old school cop point is bull shite.


Salmon
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Columbine was nearly 22 years ago. That old school cop point is bull shite.



I don't think you realize how many hold cops are still working and how many are in leadership positions



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