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H-1B: Foreign Citizens make up nearly 75% of Silicon Valley tech workforce
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:58 pm
Mercury News
With the debate over immigration to the U.S. as fiery as ever, a new analysis suggests that Silicon Valley would be lost without foreign-born technology workers.
About 71 percent of tech employees in the Valley are foreign born, compared to around 50 percent in the San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward region, according to a new report based on 2016 census data.
Immigrant techies tend to go to “the center of the action,” Seattle venture capitalist S. “Soma” Somasegar told the Seattle Times.
And Silicon Valley remains the “center of the tech universe,” according to the newspaper.
Beyond personal preferences, and the sheer number of companies in areas such as Silicon Valley and fast-growing Seattle, the financial resources of major technology firms also play a role in bringing in immigrants, the Seattle Times reported Wednesday.
Many foreign tech workers are employed under the controversial H-1B visa — intended for specialty occupations — which has become a flashpoint in the U.S. cage fight over immigration, with opponents claiming it lets foreigners steal American jobs. Several companies and UC San Francisco have been accused of abusing the visa program by using it as a tool to outsource Americans’ jobs to workers from far-away lands.
Although 2016 data released by the federal government last year showed that outsourcing companies — mostly from India — raked in the bulk of H-1B visas, Google took more than 2,500 and Apple took nearly 2,000 to hire foreign workers, about 60 percent of them holding master’s degrees.
Large companies, the Seattle Times pointed out, are better equipped to bring in workers under the H-1B.
“The H1-B process is not just complicated — it’s also quite expensive to sponsor an H1-B visa worker, a cost larger companies may be more willing to absorb,” the paper reported.
Legal blog UpCounsel puts the cost of the H-1B process at $10,000 to $11,000 per employee.
The Seattle Times did not include in its report a breakdown for Silicon Valley of how many foreign-born tech workers are U.S. citizens, versus visa holders. But the paper’s research indicated that 63 percent of Seattle’s foreign-born tech workers were not American citizens.
Backlash against the H-1B visa has been one part of the furor over U.S. immigration policies that has grown since President Donald Trump began campaigning for the presidency on an anti-immigrant platform. Fissures have widened in public opinion over Trump’s so-called “Muslim ban” on immigrants from Muslim-majority countries, over the admission of refugees, and over the unresolved fate of DACA, the program that has let millions of foreign citizens — brought to the U.S. illegally as children — remain in the country.
With the debate over immigration to the U.S. as fiery as ever, a new analysis suggests that Silicon Valley would be lost without foreign-born technology workers.
About 71 percent of tech employees in the Valley are foreign born, compared to around 50 percent in the San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward region, according to a new report based on 2016 census data.
Immigrant techies tend to go to “the center of the action,” Seattle venture capitalist S. “Soma” Somasegar told the Seattle Times.
And Silicon Valley remains the “center of the tech universe,” according to the newspaper.
Beyond personal preferences, and the sheer number of companies in areas such as Silicon Valley and fast-growing Seattle, the financial resources of major technology firms also play a role in bringing in immigrants, the Seattle Times reported Wednesday.
Many foreign tech workers are employed under the controversial H-1B visa — intended for specialty occupations — which has become a flashpoint in the U.S. cage fight over immigration, with opponents claiming it lets foreigners steal American jobs. Several companies and UC San Francisco have been accused of abusing the visa program by using it as a tool to outsource Americans’ jobs to workers from far-away lands.
Although 2016 data released by the federal government last year showed that outsourcing companies — mostly from India — raked in the bulk of H-1B visas, Google took more than 2,500 and Apple took nearly 2,000 to hire foreign workers, about 60 percent of them holding master’s degrees.
Large companies, the Seattle Times pointed out, are better equipped to bring in workers under the H-1B.
“The H1-B process is not just complicated — it’s also quite expensive to sponsor an H1-B visa worker, a cost larger companies may be more willing to absorb,” the paper reported.
Legal blog UpCounsel puts the cost of the H-1B process at $10,000 to $11,000 per employee.
The Seattle Times did not include in its report a breakdown for Silicon Valley of how many foreign-born tech workers are U.S. citizens, versus visa holders. But the paper’s research indicated that 63 percent of Seattle’s foreign-born tech workers were not American citizens.
Backlash against the H-1B visa has been one part of the furor over U.S. immigration policies that has grown since President Donald Trump began campaigning for the presidency on an anti-immigrant platform. Fissures have widened in public opinion over Trump’s so-called “Muslim ban” on immigrants from Muslim-majority countries, over the admission of refugees, and over the unresolved fate of DACA, the program that has let millions of foreign citizens — brought to the U.S. illegally as children — remain in the country.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:59 pm to MrLSU
Just look at all the names of the developers on the credits when you boot up Adobe Photoshop. If I didn't know better I'd think it was a list of names of employees at an offshore Indian Call Center.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:04 pm to MrLSU
quote:
“The H1-B process is not just complicated — it’s also quite expensive to sponsor an H1-B visa worker, a cost larger companies may be more willing to absorb,” the paper reported.
Obviously it's cheaper than hiring native workers, otherwise they wouldn't be going the H-1B route.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:09 pm to MrLSU
Sounds like those companies are discriminating against people based on national origin..
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:10 pm to MrLSU
And these are the same people who decide which Americans get banned from their platforms.
They have to go back.
They have to go back.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:10 pm to HempHead
quote:
Obviously it's cheaper than hiring native workers, otherwise they wouldn't be going the H-1B route.
I also think the supply just isn't there. We aren't graduating enough math/science students.
So long-term we need to rework our education system. In particular we need to move away from nonsense SJW fields and related majors and expand math/science/engineering/computer science.
Waayy to much critical cultural nonsense being taught.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:18 pm to BigJim
quote:
I also think the supply just isn't there. We aren't graduating enough math/science students.
You don't need a college degree to be an efficient programmer, analyst, network engineer, etc.,
It's one of the few fields in which credentialism isn't a requirement. Some HS dropout with a good portfolio can rake it in if they know what they're doing.
lrn2code to resist immigration
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:20 pm to League Champs
quote:
And these are the same people who decide which Americans get banned from their platforms.
They have to go back.
No they aren’t.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:22 pm to MrLSU
75% of the workforce, yet somehow they are 95% of the source of errors. Seriously.
You want cheap labor you get cheap results. Talk to anyone in IT. They will tell you.
The h1-b folks work for dogshit pay and turn in equally shitty work.
You want cheap labor you get cheap results. Talk to anyone in IT. They will tell you.
The h1-b folks work for dogshit pay and turn in equally shitty work.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:23 pm to FightnBobLafollette
quote:
No they aren’t.
Is/ought bruh
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:29 pm to MrLSU
quote:suits me fine
Silicon Valley would be lost without foreign-born technology workers.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:46 pm to BigJim
quote:
I also think the supply just isn't there. We aren't graduating enough math/science students.
This is bullshite. Silicon Valley is willing to pay top dollar for the best of the best, then "in-source" H1Bs to undercut everyone else. There are 1000 universities graduating CompSci and Math students every year, not to mention thousands of unrelated majors with "amateur" experience coding. They just don't want to hire a moderately talented programmer from Indiana that will cost $60k when they can bring in an H1B for half that.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:48 pm to MrLSU
Yeah, but they’re loyal to America....right?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:51 pm to MrLSU
quote:
Many foreign tech workers are employed under the controversial H-1B visa — intended for specialty occupations — which has become a flashpoint in the U.S. cage fight over immigration, with opponents claiming it lets foreigners steal American jobs.
It does, and politicians don't care because the companies lobbyists are powerful and fund their campaigns.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:58 pm to Muthsera
You clearly know nothing about this market if you think that a moderately talented programmer is only making 60k in Silicon Valley. Or that an H1B substitute is only making 30k. That’s not even close.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:01 pm to BigJim
quote:
I also think the supply just isn't there. We aren't graduating enough math/science students.
I TOTALLY disagree with this. The circumstances involving H-1B are 100% about cost imho. Didn't Disney hire a bunch of people via H-1B in order to "expand" operations, made longstanding employees ($) train them, and then fire the longstanding employees?
Follow the money...
ETA:
Disney and tge H-1B scandal
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:17 pm to MrLSU
I know of some companies where H1B is nearly 100%.
They hire the H1B workers and train them up. They are mostly afraid to ask for raises. It’s cheaper to do that than to hire Americans who will expect a decent starting salary AND have the audacity to ask for a salary bump after a couple of years.
They hire the H1B workers and train them up. They are mostly afraid to ask for raises. It’s cheaper to do that than to hire Americans who will expect a decent starting salary AND have the audacity to ask for a salary bump after a couple of years.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:17 pm to funnystuff
Please, oh wise one, enlighten me as to the entry level coding salary of new college grads at a large tech firm vs H1B.
Obviously my point was completely obfuscated by my off the cuff salary analogy.
Obviously my point was completely obfuscated by my off the cuff salary analogy.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:21 pm to HempHead
quote:Probably, but there also seems to be a potential shortage of STEM candidates in the US compared to other degrees/fields.
Obviously it's cheaper than hiring native workers, otherwise they wouldn't be going the H-1B route.
In addition, the other day CNBC pointed out something I hadn’t noticed before. How many top companies in the world are US tech companies, and how many top tech companies are in Europe? Compared to other sectors, it’s quite disproportionate, despite being two of the largest economies in the world. So naturally, whereas the demand for candidates is going to disproportionately come from the US, compared to other sectors, with the supply to meet the demands being more evenly distributed.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:21 pm to Muthsera
quote:
75% of the workforce, yet somehow they are 95% of the source of errors. Seriously. You want cheap labor you get cheap results. Talk to anyone in IT. They will tell you.
This is exactly correct.
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