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Gun right bills breeze through Louisiana House with veto-proof majority
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:35 am
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With veto-proof majorities, the Louisiana House Friday approved three gun rights bills – two would limit local governments from banning the concealed carrying of firearms and the sale of weapons during an emergency; the third would allow guns into churches regardless of what congregants decide.
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All three measures now head to the Senate where they will have to be heard and approved by a committee, then survive a vote of the full upper chamber during the session’s remaining 10 days seven days before heading to the governor’s desk.
It takes to 70 votes in the House (26 in the Senate) to override a gubernatorial veto should Gov. John Bel Edwards do so. Numerically, the votes on all three measures appear to make an override is possible. But sometimes the politics change and votes change.
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:36 am to WPBTiger
I wonder when they’ll have the balls to do Constitutional carry
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:37 am to WPBTiger
It’s a shame we have to enact laws to accomplish what’s already set forth in the Constitution. Shall not be infringed.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:37 am to WPBTiger
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the third would allow guns into churches regardless of what congregants decide
So they have no say on their private property? That seems a little strange.
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:38 am to WPBTiger
Will they stop another New Orleans Gun Grab?
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:43 am to Colonel Flagg
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So they have no say on their private property? That seems a little strange.
It just means the state can't forbid it. What the practicitioners want is up to them.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:45 am to Colonel Flagg
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So they have no say on their private property? That seems a little strange.
Current law bans concealed carry in churches. It’s the only private property where government is currently prohibiting concealed carry.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:56 am to Jack Bauers HnK
Both positions represent extremes that are a bridge too far and are thus wrong.
It should not be illegal to concealed carry in a church BUT a church should have the sovereign authority to ban guns in their Sanctuary.
It should not be illegal to concealed carry in a church BUT a church should have the sovereign authority to ban guns in their Sanctuary.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:10 am to Bayoubred
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a church BUT a church should have the sovereign authority to ban guns in their Sanctuary.
Why?
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:14 am to Colonel Flagg
Don't like that one bit.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:14 am to ljhog
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Why?
Because it is their sanctuary.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:17 am to ljhog
Why?
So people can carry guns into your daughters wedding no matter what y'all wish?
So people can carry guns into your daughters wedding no matter what y'all wish?
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:57 am to gumpinmizzou
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Because it is their sanctuary.
Agreed. We have multiple denominational splits. One more won't hurt a thing. Gun Baptist and no gun Baptist. Take your pick
Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:33 pm to gumpinmizzou
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Because it is their sanctuary.
You are assuming 100% of the congregation is in favor of the ban.
Does the principle also apply to any establishment? In other words, I own a car lot. Can I ban CC there? After all, it is MY lot. Can say a Kroger grocery store ban CC, if management or the Board of Directors deems so?? Would those be considered "their" stores? Or does this only apply to private business and churches?
Don't get me wrong. I don't think you should be totin' a gun into church. On the other hand, I also am not in favor of limiting or eliminating a constitutionally protected liberty because "they" don't want it.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:36 pm to ljhog
The laws of the State of Louisiana override any claims of “sanctuary”
Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:41 pm to ljhog
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Can say a Kroger grocery store ban CC, if management or the Board of Directors deems so??
I don't know if you're asking a general question or specifically about LA, but in some states, yes. In some liberal states (Illinois is one, I think?) they can post a sign saying they don't allow concealed carry and it carries the force of law. If you violate it it's just like carrying into a bar or other prohibited venue, and you can be prosecuted and lose your permit. In Florida they can post signs but they carry no legal weight; the most they can do is ask you to leave if they find out you're armed. I try not to patronize those places but I ignore their signs if I do. Concealed means concealed.
As for the proposed law it's apparently poorly worded, because some lawmakers claim it leaves the decision up to the church and others claim it takes it out of their hands. Hopefully it'll get clarified in the senate; I have a hard time believing Louisiana would pass something that takes that decision away from a church. But I have a hard time understanding why they elected their governor, so what do I know?
Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:50 pm to WPBTiger
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limit local governments from banning the concealed carrying of firearms and the sale of weapons during an emergency
Interesting that they are leaving that unilateral power with the governor, though.
Louisiana Revised Statutes 29:724 – Powers of the governor
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(6) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles
Posted on 5/23/20 at 6:46 pm to ljhog
Freedom of religion. Period.
The government should not dictate to a church what can and can't be in the Sanctuary of God's house, or any other part of the church for that matter.
We plead with our CC folks to carry but some churches may disagree and not want weapons in the Sanctuary. They should have that right.
The government should not dictate to a church what can and can't be in the Sanctuary of God's house, or any other part of the church for that matter.
We plead with our CC folks to carry but some churches may disagree and not want weapons in the Sanctuary. They should have that right.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:15 pm to Flats
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general question
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:18 pm to Colonel Flagg
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the third would allow guns into churches regardless of what congregants decide
So they have no say on their private property? That seems a little strange.
Yeah, there are some 5th Amendment issues with this.
The other two are good.
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