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Gov't can't force Christians to make gay wedding videos, appeals court rules

Posted on 8/26/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
1087 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 12:23 pm
The Christian Post

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An appeals court has ruled in favor of a Christian couple who oversee a film company that were told by Minnesota officials that they must film same-sex weddings despite religious objections.

A three judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit decided last Friday that the Minnesota Human Rights Act violated the First Amendment rights of Carl and Angel Larsen of Telescope Media Group.

The decision largely overturned a lower court ruling against the Larsens and remanded their request for an injunction against the MHRA back to the district court level.

Circuit Judge David Stras, author of the court opinion, wrote that “antidiscrimination laws, as critically important as they are, must yield to the Constitution.”

“Indeed, if Minnesota were correct, there is no reason it would have to stop with the Larsens. In theory, it could use the MHRA to require a Muslim tattoo artist to inscribe ‘My religion is the only true religion’ on the body of a Christian if he or she would do the same for a fellow Muslim, or it could demand that an atheist musician perform at an evangelical church service,” wrote Judge Stras.

“The district court also ruled that the Larsens could not seek relief on various other constitutional theories. We largely agree that these claims fail. But one—the free-exercise claim—can proceed because it is intertwined with their free-speech claim.”

Circuit Judge Jane Kelly authored an opinion that concurred in part and dissented in part, arguing that while objections to same-sex marriage are protected by the First Amendment, such protections should not apply to businesses.

“The Larsens remain free to communicate any message they desire—about same-sex marriage or any other topic—or no message at all,” wrote Judge Kelly.

“What they cannot do is operate a public accommodation that serves customers of one sexual orientation but not others. And make no mistake, that is what today’s decision affords them license to do.”

In December 2016, the Larsens filed a lawsuit against the MHRA's ban on sexual orientation discrimination, arguing that the measure would force them to film same-sex weddings.

U.S. District Court Judge John Tunheim ruled against the Larsens in September 2017, concluding that the law is "neutral" in its application and dismissing the Larsens’ concerns as “immaterial.”

“… when a person views a wedding video, there is little danger that they would naturally attribute the video's messages to the videographer,” wrote Judge Tunheim, adding that “the Larsens can easily disclaim personal sponsorship of the messages depicted in the wedding videos they create for clients.”

“For example, the Larsens could post language on their website stating that while they follow applicable law, and thus serve couples regardless of protected status, they are opposed to same-sex marriage.”

The Larsens, who are represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom, appealed the decision to the Eighth Circuit, with arguments heard before the panel last October.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19911 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 12:25 pm to
When will they ever learn the difference between “off the shelf” and “custom work” when it comes to public accommodation law?

This is so simple, but the horse just keeps getting beaten.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78898 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:25 pm to
I'll bet these type of people go into several bakeries to set try and trap them.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:27 pm to
Can this be used as precedence with the cake baker issue?
Posted by Dragoon
Member since Jul 2019
112 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:31 pm to
Confusing. Seems to me someone claiming to be Christian would be the most tolerant of anyone. They are persecuted for their beliefs all around the world on a daily basis.

Are Christians actual discriminating against people because of private life choices?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16538 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Are Christians actual discriminating against people because of private life choices?


Your poor education is showing again. There's no discrimination on their part and the wedding could easily find accomodating photographers in the free marker.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:55 pm to
Charge them $10,000 up front to record wedding.

Opps. I forgot to take the lens cap off again. My bad.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:56 pm to
Good ruling for private business rights.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20869 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Can this be used as precedence with the cake baker issue?


Or against conservatives for companies who dont like their speech.

That cuts both ways.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20869 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Good ruling for private business rights.


Totally agreed that every business should have the right to serve any person it wishes for any reason it wishes.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21404 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:23 pm to
YAAAS!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21404 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

Are Christians actual discriminating against people because of private life choices?


No.

Signed, an atheist.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Or against conservatives for companies who dont like their speech.

That cuts both ways.


How so?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20869 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

How so?


Before I explain, do we both agree that:

1)Companies should have free control over their property and produce

And

2)Companies should be able to choose who they serve, for any reason they wish?
Posted by Placebeaux
Bobby Fischer Fan Club President
Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:48 pm to
Take that homos
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
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35957 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:49 pm to
Go on...
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50230 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

Are Christians actual discriminating against people because of private life choices?


No, and I'm atheist.

It is funny watching you fricks pretzel yourselves while several Muslim business owners have flat out said they don't even want to make the normal "on the shelf" accommodations.

Gotta ignore that for the "good" of the country, I guess.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29208 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:52 pm to
Why can;t the video makers just say they're busy or booked for that day ?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Before I explain, do we both agree that:

1)Companies should have free control over their property and produce

And

2)Companies should be able to choose who they serve, for any reason they wish?


Yes.
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