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GOP’s H-2B Expansion Gives Business Unlimited Supply of Foreign Workers

Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:32 am
Posted by Boatshoes
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:32 am
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A plan to massively expand the importation of low-skilled foreign workers to the United States would allow American businesses to hire an unlimited number of foreigners instead of American citizens.
Every year, the U.S. companies are allowed to import 66,000 low-skilled H-2B foreign workers to take blue-collar, non-agricultural jobs. The H-2B visa program is used by businesses to bring in cheaper, foreign workers and has contributed to blue-collar Americans having their wages undercut.

As Breitbart News reported, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SC), and Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD) have cut a deal with the business lobby to allow businesses to import as many foreign workers — instead of hiring blue-collar Americans — so long as they meet certain requirements.

Though the deal has been billed as increasing the H-2B visa cap to 132,000 a year, businesses located in regions that have been hit by recent natural disasters would be allowed to hire as many foreign workers through the program as they want.

Additionally, businesses that hire H-2B foreign workers would be mandated to use E-Verify, the system that certifies a worker is not an illegal alien, for new hires. But, should the business find that they have hired illegal aliens, those workers can be readily replaced with H-2B foreign workers. This would not count against the 132,000 annual cap, just like the natural disaster exemption.

Rosemary Jenks with NumbersUSA — an organization that advocates for a national immigration policy in the interest of American workers — said she has “never seen” anything like this particular deal between lawmakers and their business donors for cheap, foreign labor.

“In 28 years of working in Washington, I have never seen congressional staffers sign an agreement with lobbying organizations to produce special-interest legislation that directly benefits those lobbying groups,” Jenks said. “I’m sure their constituents would love to hear them explain why they are so eager to help employers keep wages down for lower-skilled American workers.”

Republican lawmakers are looking to slip the more than doubling of the H-2B visa program into a last-second spending bill that is expected to be passed before the new year.

In total, there are roughly 1.5 million foreign workers in U.S. college-graduate jobs, plus at least 300,000 blue-collar or manual labor jobs. Meanwhile, there are five million Americans who are not in the labor force who want a job with more than 500,000 Americans saying they are discouraged by their job prospects.

Every year, America’s working and middle class have their wages reduced by an inflow of more than 1.5 million mostly low-skilled foreign workers who are admitted to the country. This importation of illegal and legal foreign workers has left the country’s bottom line of workers with stagnant wages since the 1970s and forces them to compete with foreign workers for blue-collar jobs.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:33 am to
So legal immigrants?
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:35 am to
There is a great deal in society today that is both "legal" and "harmful".
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:36 am to
#winning
Posted by TiggerB8t
Member since Oct 2013
691 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:44 am to
What happened to the restriction that required businesses to first prove they cannot find enough qualified US citizens to fill those jobs?
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11792 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:45 am to
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There is a great deal in society today that is both "legal" and "harmful".




need to read more, but willing to be the reasoning is to go from undocumented (illegal) to documented (legal)

obviously their is an large number of undocumented workers in the US who are not paying taxes or being covered by workers comp, unemployment insurance, ant other payroll taxes and labor burden. the E-Verify requirement with replacement H-2B give the business owner a reason to follow the law.


Contrary to popular convention, we need immigrant workers to fill farm/construction/low end hospitality jobs. Especially seasonal labor

bringing them into legal status means they have to follow US laws in pay, putting the american work back to a level playing field.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20869 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:52 am to
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So legal immigrants?


Trump ran on the slogan of Americans getting American jobs.

This is exactly the opposite. Big business knows how to big govt better than anyone.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19094 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:55 am to
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Contrary to popular convention, we need immigrant workers to fill farm/construction/low end hospitality jobs. Especially seasonal labor


Employers want them because it’s cheaper than raising pay to recruit Americans.

They don’t need them.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17427 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:07 am to
Put salary floors in place for the STEM jobs and this is not an issue. The only issue with H-2B is they are hiring Indians for 50k when locals expect 80k for the work.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11792 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:07 am to
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They don’t need them.


farming, construction, and hospitality cant fill positions without migrant labor
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:17 am to
we love our legal immigration don't we folks
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19094 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:18 am to
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farming, construction, and hospitality cant fill positions without migrant labor



Three years my company hired 100% Americans for entry level positions, now it’s 98% foreign workers.

We had a choice between raising wages, to remain competitive and keep our team, or keep wages flat and take advantage of the foreign worker programs.

Upstairs went for foreign workers.

There are massive trade offs. Our Americans were better employees, they were more efficient, and the seasonal turn is hugely expensive for us.

The associated housing, transportation, and lawyer costs for the H2Bs are high as well.

I just don’t think it was worth it.

This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 8:21 am
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:20 am to
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There are massive trade offs.

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I just don’t think it was worth it.

if you're right, "upstairs" ought to pick up on it pretty quick
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19094 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:24 am to
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if you're right, "upstairs" ought to pick up on it pretty quick



That’s not how things work in the real world.

It was a political decision, and people staked their jobs on it, so it will be successful.

The associated costs are also spread out between departments, and no one bill is ever assembled. It’s also difficult to do a comparative efficiency study, and they would not do one, because this policy “will save us money.” Even if it doesn’t.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8322 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:26 am to
A couple things stood out about this piece. First of all...
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In 28 years of working in Washington, I have never seen congressional staffers sign an agreement with lobbying organizations to produce special-interest legislation that directly benefits those lobbying groups
bullshite. Even the most willfully blind DC observer would say this is claim is a crock of shite.

Second...
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Meanwhile, there are five million Americans who are not in the labor force who want a job with more than 500,000 Americans saying they are discouraged by their job prospects.
If those 500,000 could just produce clean piss, they’d have a job in a week. The fracking boom in particular has generated a ton of jobs that O&G consistently struggle to fill because they can’t find blue collar workers who can simply pass andrug test.

If you’re a discouraged worker in the US today, it says a lot more about you than about the economy.

Finally...
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the deal has been billed as increasing the H-2B visa cap to 132,000 a year
This is a dog shite policy.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:29 am to
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costs are also spread out between departments, and no one bill is ever assembled. It’s also difficult to do a comparative efficiency study

sounds like your conclusion on its net cost is at least as spurious then, and you almost certainly have less information & less on the line than those who made the call
Posted by Oddibe
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Member since Sep 2015
6565 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:34 am to
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salary floors in place for the STEM jobs and this is not an issue. The only issue with H-2B is they are hiring Indians for 50k when locals expect 80k for the
You are confusing H2B (seasonal/agricultural) with H1B. H1B does have salary controls. The problem is companies like Disney fired a bunch of employees and replaced them with H1B’s BUT they reclassified the new hires to lower level positions which enabled them to pay lower salaries.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90484 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:08 am to
I will take the side of the GOP on this. I’m not sure how it is nationwide, but I can attest that in MS and Alabama our catfish processing is being limited due to lack of labor. Due to the states strict laws on these programs we have trouble getting foreign labor.

Domestic labor is awful. At our plant that employs roughly 150 people, almost 1/3 don’t show each day. Our turnover is about 25 people per day on top of it. Very few work longer than a couple weeks. They come in work long enough to keep benefits then quit.

There is nothing we can do about it due to the low population of the area. If we had easier access to foreign labor and could guarantee a full workforce shows up 5 days a week we could process and sell 8-10 million dollars more fish each year.

And it would keep more farmers in business. Many independent farmers are struggling because the plants can’t process enough fish to keep them all going...all due to labor. We have the sales demand to do it. No labor to process the fish.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90484 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:14 am to
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Employers want them because it’s cheaper than raising pay to recruit Americans.


Not true. We tried raising pay to combat the problems I stated above.

None wanted the jobs because income would be too much and they’d lose entitlements.

Welfare is the major problem. Unless they fix that then foreign labor is only solution. But this is farm related type jobs in very low income areas. The problems in industrial areas are likely much different.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
11851 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:31 am to
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farming, construction, and hospitality cant fill positions without migrant labor


It specifically says non-agricultural.
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