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Go read the Meuller Reoprt again re: Mifsud and Pap
Posted on 10/26/19 at 5:53 am
Posted on 10/26/19 at 5:53 am
Page 97 takes an interesting turn
the whole Pap section (in detail) starts on page 88 or 89 and the majority of the citations are from Pap's statement. however, look at the citations for THIS section of the allegations
464?
this is not based on Pap's statement but the Government's Statement of Offense in the criminal matter. so this isn't some objective piece of information or Pap's own statement. it's based on government-based investigations.
465? All of a sudden this is based on an "FBI document" and not a statement (or email, for that matter)
THAT is what Barr/Dunham just went over in Italy and THAT is why there is now a criminal probe.
*ETA: "the foreign government" is Australia, via Downer The Hill
it's amazing that once Mifsud makes contact with Pap, all these western assets start making contact with him to talk about this "dirt". it's also amazing that the Mueller report itself says that information provided by a foreign government is why they started the investigation, shortly thereafter. but wait, there's more:
Steele was a paid operative of the Clinton campaign (indirectly, of course)
Carter Page was exonerated by Mueller
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During that meeting, Mifsud told Papadopoulos that he had met with high—level
Russian government of?cials during his recent trip to Moscow. Mifsud also said that, on the trip,
he learned that the Russians had obtained “dirt” on candidate Hillary Clinton. As Papadopoulos
later stated to the FBI, Mifsud said that the “dirt” was in the form of “emails of Clinton,” and that
they “have thousands of emails.”464 On May 6, 2016, 10 days after that meeting with Mifsud,
Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had
received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the
anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.465
the whole Pap section (in detail) starts on page 88 or 89 and the majority of the citations are from Pap's statement. however, look at the citations for THIS section of the allegations
464?
quote:
Papadopoulos Statement of Offense 11 14.
this is not based on Pap's statement but the Government's Statement of Offense in the criminal matter. so this isn't some objective piece of information or Pap's own statement. it's based on government-based investigations.
465? All of a sudden this is based on an "FBI document" and not a statement (or email, for that matter)
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This information is contained in the FBI case-opening document and related materials. (this is an edit where it was previously redacted but was struck through on the final version an the pdf optical reader didn't read it well). The foreign government conveyed this information to the US. govrnment on July 26, 2016, a. few days after WikiLeaks’s release of Clinton-related emails. The FBI opened its investigation of potential coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign a few days later based on the information.
THAT is what Barr/Dunham just went over in Italy and THAT is why there is now a criminal probe.
*ETA: "the foreign government" is Australia, via Downer The Hill
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Papadopoulos said his discussions with Halper — identified this year by The Washington Post as an FBI informant in the Russia case — were among more than a half-dozen contacts that U.S. and Western intelligence figures initiated with Papadopoulos during the campaign.
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Once Mifsud conveyed the information to him, Papadopoulos began getting overtures from Western and U.S. intelligence.
In late April 2016, for example, two officials at the U.S. Embassy in London, who identified themselves as DIA officers, probed Papadopoulos for information about Trump and Russia.
“They were wining and dining me as if I were Marilyn Monroe,” Papadopoulos told me. “They said, ‘You are an individual, George, that has tons of contacts in Athens and you are a subject of interest.’ ”
He said the two intelligence officers then asked about Moscow: “They were trying to find out why Trump was willing to work with Russia. They were trying to act as if they were pro-working with Russia.”
Around the same time, he said, an Israeli diplomat who portrayed himself as friendly to the Obama State Department, and decidedly opposed to Trump, befriended him in London. The Israeli official questioned him about where Trump stood on Russia and Iran issues, and introduced Papadopoulos to a woman he identified as his girlfriend.
That woman, Papadopoulos said, apparently worked for Australian intelligence and set up a meeting for him at a London bar to meet the Australian ambassador to England, Alexander Downer.
it's amazing that once Mifsud makes contact with Pap, all these western assets start making contact with him to talk about this "dirt". it's also amazing that the Mueller report itself says that information provided by a foreign government is why they started the investigation, shortly thereafter. but wait, there's more:
quote:
The FBI officially opened the Trump-Russia case on July 31, 2016, based on suspicions that Papadopoulos had prior knowledge that Russia hacked Clinton’s emails, but it quickly pivoted by early fall 2016 to evidence such as the Democratic-funded dossier produced by Christopher Steele, and Trump campaign adviser Carter Page’s trips to Moscow. The FISA warrant was drafted to target surveillance at Page but also cited Papadopoulos in a section that suggested Russia was coordinating election collusion through Page and "perhaps other individuals associated" with Trump's campaign.
“The truth is, the Papadopoulos predicate went into reversal, but rather than shut down the probe at that point, the bureau turned to other leads like Steele and Page without giving the court a full picture,” one source said.
Steele was a paid operative of the Clinton campaign (indirectly, of course)
Carter Page was exonerated by Mueller
This post was edited on 10/26/19 at 6:51 am
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Good post. The way I look at this situation with Pap is it is as if a police officer planted drugs on a person, told a paid informant that the person had drugs, and then used the informants information as a means to get a warrant to kick the person’s door in to get the drugs and hope for other evidence.
With Pap it was ideas/information that was planted on him and then used as a basis for an investigation. To bolster that evidence, they then take the “facts” that Pap just learned and then “launder” the information to Steele (or Fusion), other government departments, and even media leaks. Steele and workers in the other government departments then “launder” the info again to more federal officials and media personal. Now they have multiple sources for the info and can use it as a means to get a warrant (FISA). That is how you effectively manufacture corroboration for your original evidence.
With Pap it was ideas/information that was planted on him and then used as a basis for an investigation. To bolster that evidence, they then take the “facts” that Pap just learned and then “launder” the information to Steele (or Fusion), other government departments, and even media leaks. Steele and workers in the other government departments then “launder” the info again to more federal officials and media personal. Now they have multiple sources for the info and can use it as a means to get a warrant (FISA). That is how you effectively manufacture corroboration for your original evidence.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Insanely devious (not to mention, obvious).
I really, really, really want to see justice in this matter...
I really, really, really want to see justice in this matter...
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:50 am to Baron
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The way I look at this situation with Pap is it is as if a police officer planted drugs on a person, told a paid informant that the person had drugs, and then used the informants information as a means to get a warrant to kick the person’s door in to get the drugs and hope for other evidence.
the one problem with your analogy is that the drugs may never have been planted and the cops just SAID they were
but then they had other, undercover cops go talk to you about all these drugs you have, AND THEN THAT is what's reported to the DA so he gets a warrant for your arrest. other countries were using assets to "cleanse" the potential illegalities, so it could be reported through channels in a benign way
but the question remains. why was Mifsud reported to be a Russian asset? why was he asked to contact Pap? by whom? that's the "unraveling" and that's why it's no shock that AFTER our officials get back from Italy (where Mifsud is located/protected), the criminal probe starts.
it appears the FBI in Italy were naughty. then the question becomes, who was coordinating this? with whom else? where did it originate?
This is an opinion piece but it alleges FBI protocols were not followed
quote:
“The revelation of purposeful contact initiated by alleged confidential human sources prior to any FBI investigation is troublesome,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), an ally of President Trump and chairman of a House subcommittee that’s taking an increasingly aggressive oversight role in the scandal, told me. “This new information begs the questions: Who were the informants working for, who were they reporting to and why has the [Department of Justice] and FBI gone to such great lengths to hide these contacts?”
Kevin Brock agrees that Congress has legitimate questions. The retired FBI assistant director for intelligence supervised the rewriting of bureau rules governing sources, under then-director Robert Mueller a decade ago. Those rules forbid the FBI from directing a human source to target an American until a formally predicated investigative file is opened.
Brock sees oddities in how the Russia case began. “These types of investigations aren’t normally run by assistant directors and deputy directors at headquarters,” he told me. “All that happens normally in a field office, but that isn’t the case here and so it becomes a red flag. Congress would have legitimate oversight interests in the conditions and timing of the targeting of a confidential human source against a U.S. person.”
quote:
A week before Carter Page left for London, the FBI was contacted by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, recently hired by the Fusion GPS research firm to find Trump-Russia dirt; Fusion was paid by the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party.
The FBI did not act on Steele’s July 5, 2016, overture but, weeks later, Steele began working with agents. His now-infamous dossier became a key document justifying the surveillance warrants against Carter Page.
On July 23, 2016, shortly after WikiLeaks released the first hacked Clinton campaign emails, the Australian government contacted the State Department’s deputy chief of mission in London about Downer’s May 10 conversation with Papadopoulos. State forwarded the information to FBI headquarters.
like i've posted for months. if Mifsud is a Russian agent, then this makes sense. if he's not, somebody please explain all of this to me. why is a Western asset allegedly talking to Pap about "dirt"? why was there all sorts of other coordination with western spy organizations (UK, AUS)? why was FBI protocol not followed and how was its timing so perfect?
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's amazing that once Mifsud makes contact with Pap, all these western assets start making contact with him to talk about this "dirt".
That is the "push-pull" Bongino talks about. You bombard a guy with people trying to trap you with the push information to dirty you up. Then, you send the next wave of guys to get it out of you.
I believe Papa also said they were ready to pounce on him the minute he got off one of his flights because they assumed he had the 10k cash. They freaked when they couldn't find it.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:59 am to Bunk Moreland
yeah Pap was forced to plea for making misstatements related to his interactions with Mifsud. there may be a Flynn-eque 302 altering issue, or flat out lying on the 302, in play. supposedly a ton of FBI guys in Italy were just interviewed. again, and then there is an immediate criminal probe.
the fact that apparently 3 countries had assets on Pap for months and the biggest thing Mueller could pin on him was a misstatement to the FBI, is scary.
same thing with Carter Page. NOTHING.
if there is no frickery going on, there certainly is a ton of negligence that should raise about 100,000 questions about our sying/FISA apparatus
the fact that apparently 3 countries had assets on Pap for months and the biggest thing Mueller could pin on him was a misstatement to the FBI, is scary.
same thing with Carter Page. NOTHING.
if there is no frickery going on, there certainly is a ton of negligence that should raise about 100,000 questions about our sying/FISA apparatus
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Weren't they watching Page since 2013 or something insane like that?
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:04 am to SlowFlowPro
This has all been literally debunked. Nice little Sean Hannity conspiracy theory you have here though.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:05 am to Tiger at Law
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This has all been literally debunke
what has been debunked? the Mueller report?
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:05 am to Baron
Don't forget about the $10k Misfud gave Pap right before Pap was scheduled to return to the US. Pap thought something was fishy and tried to give it back but Misfud wouldn't take it so he left it with his lawyer in Italy.
As soon as he touched down on US soil, law enforcement picked him up looking for the money. That amount crosses the threshold for having to claim it or it's breaking the law.
Pap thinks they used marked bills and that the money can be traced back to the perps.
As soon as he touched down on US soil, law enforcement picked him up looking for the money. That amount crosses the threshold for having to claim it or it's breaking the law.
Pap thinks they used marked bills and that the money can be traced back to the perps.
This post was edited on 10/26/19 at 7:08 am
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:07 am to Vacherie Saint
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Weren't they watching Page since 2013 or something insane like that?
i dunno there are rumors. something weird is going on with him. much easier to focus on Pap
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:08 am to Tiger at Law
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This has all been literally debunked
False
But you knew that
The left has just decided saying the word debunked makes it so
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:13 am to ShortyRob
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The left has just decided saying the word debunked makes it so
a. this has not been "debunked"
b. here is a direct quote:
quote:
if Mifsud is a Russian agent, then this makes sense. if he's not, somebody please explain all of this to me.
how can an either/or statement be "debunked"?
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:14 am to Tiger at Law
It’s so debunked that the DOJ shifted to a criminal inquiry after interviewing Misfud.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:16 am to Vacherie Saint
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It’s so debunked that the DOJ shifted to a criminal inquiry after interviewing Misfud.
you see this is just Barr promoting "right wing" conspiracies on behalf of Trump [ ] for persona/political purposes or [ ] to distract the public from Ukraine-gate and impeachment
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:18 am to Bunk Moreland
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That is the "push-pull" Bongino talks about. You bombard a guy with people trying to trap you with the push information to dirty you up.
Ridiculous, making up and spreading rumors and then siccing investigators on you to get you to repeat the rumors.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:21 am to Vacherie Saint
Ha, I'm right there with you gents. Was paraphrasing the Anderson Cooper/Clapper segment discussing the criminal investigation.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:23 am to Tiger at Law
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Was paraphrasing the Anderson Cooper/Clapper segment discussing the criminal investigation.
i figured, b/c THIS is one thing that has NOT been "debunked". usually they go for "there is no evidence" for this "conspiracy theory"
Posted on 10/26/19 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Steele was a paid operative of the Clinton campaign (indirectly, of course)
Remember, also, that Steele didn't even write the dossier. Glenn Simpson did according to his wife's testimony. Steele was basically paid a ton of money for the use of his name and background at MI6 to distance Simpson from the dossier.
There's gotta be 2 dozen people involved in this mess from planning to implementation.
Yet the two who should see jail time won't even have to talk to their attorneys: Obama and Hillary.
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