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Giuliani pursued shadow Ukraine agenda as key foreign policy officials were sidelined

Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:58 am
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:58 am
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President Trump’s attempt to pressure the leader of Ukraine followed a months-long fight inside the administration that sidelined national security officials and empowered political loyalists — including the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani — to exploit the U.S. relationship with Kiev, current and former U.S. officials said.

The sequence, which began early this year, involved the abrupt removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the circumvention of senior officials on the National Security Council, and the suspension of hundreds of millions of dollars of aid administered by the Defense and State departments — all as key officials from these agencies struggled to piece together Giuliani’s activities from news reports.

Several officials described tense meetings on Ukraine among national security officials at the White House leading up to the president’s phone call on July 25, sessions that led some participants to fear that Trump and those close to him appeared prepared to use U.S. leverage with the new leader of Ukraine for Trump’s political gain.


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Though the whistleblower report focuses on the Trump-Zelensky call, officials familiar with its contents said that it includes references to other developments tied to the president, including efforts by Giuliani to insert himself into U.S.-Ukrainian relations.


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Trump’s closest advisers, including acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was ordered by Trump to suspend the aid to Ukraine, are also increasingly targets of internal finger-pointing. Mulvaney has agitated for foreign aid to be cut universally but has also stayed away from meetings with Giuliani and Trump, officials said. But the person who appears to have been more directly involved at nearly every stage of the entanglement with Ukraine is Giuliani.

“Rudy — he did all of this,” one U.S. official said. “This s---show that we’re in — it’s him injecting himself into the process.”

Several officials traced their initial concerns about the path of U.S.-Ukrainian relations to news reports and interviews granted by Giuliani in which he began to espouse views and concerns that did not appear connected to U.S. priorities or policy.


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After the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, Giuliani turned his attention to Ukraine, officials said, and soon began pushing for personnel changes at the embassy while seeking meetings with Zelensky subordinates. He also had his own emissaries in Ukraine who were meeting with officials, setting up meetings for him and sending back information that he could circulate in the United States.

The U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, became a primary Giuliani target.


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The perception of a parallel, hidden agenda intensified in the summer as officials at the NSC, Pentagon and State Department began reacting to rumors that hundreds of millions of dollars of military and intelligence aid to Ukraine was being mysteriously impeded.

“There were never any orders given, any formal guidance from the White House to any of the agencies,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter. “And the NSC was scratching their heads: How is this possible?”


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I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
48607 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:59 am to
He's on Fox right now.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73403 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:00 am to
Rexcatur to the rescue!
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:00 am to
Did he sleep last night?
Posted by pmacattack
Member since Oct 2016
6659 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:02 am to
Their minds are made up regardless so it is time to go on record with a full vote.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83922 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:02 am to
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Though the whistleblower report focuses on the Trump-Zelensky call, officials familiar with its contents said that it includes references to other developments tied to the president, including efforts by Giuliani to insert himself into U.S.-Ukrainian relations.


It was never about the call. It was never about the whistleblower complaint. They aren’t fooling anyone
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:03 am to
hahahahahahaha


Post more a-hole

You don't have much time.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54201 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:03 am to
Washington Post? When is the last time they got something right other than the date on their newspaper?
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48808 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:05 am to
The president is the arbiter of foreign relations, not the IC or congress, sorry
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am to
Here go the Dems again....

"some people", "someone with knowledge", "key officials", "one US official"

People are on to your game plan libtards.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39990 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am to
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13493 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am to
Ukrainian President said he was not pressured by Trump.
Vice President Biden proudly admits he did pressure Ukraine President.

DNC/MSM Political Complex must protect Biden and Impeach Trump!
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23111 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to
quote:

After the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, Giuliani turned his attention to Ukraine, officials said, and soon began pushing for personnel changes at the embassy while seeking meetings with Zelensky subordinates


It’s already been uncovered that Obama lackeys, including the holdover ambassador, were blocking Ukrainian officials from reporting corruption in the country, by US persons, to the US doj.

I’m not surprised Obama loyalists weren’t happy about it, but this is a weird, retarded, and frankly laughable spin by the dnc’s Washington propaganda arm.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17067 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to
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I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
Must see TV if Rudy goes before any of the House Dims.
Can you imagine the idiots like AyOck, SJLee, Nadless Jerry, Ted Lieu trying to match wits with Rudy. Be like taking a selfie stick to a gunfight.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420873 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to
sounds like this was part of a plan. Rudy is claiming this was bait, which would make sense in the context of that article

this whole Ukraine angle, even if sincere, is still a pretty big nothingburther. Greta Thurnberg is a more legitimate and less manufactured story than this one
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
67972 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:08 am to
quote:

phone call on July 25, sessions that led some participants to fear that Trump and those close to him appeared prepared to use U.S. leverage with the new leader of Ukraine for Trump’s political gain
Sounds like the author is stretching. Are you going to fall for this sort of stuff again, comrade?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146377 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:10 am to
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Washington Post? When is the last time they got something right other than the date on their newspaper?
I will wait patiently for Decatur to prove to us WaPo could finally not be fake news. WaPo is fed by Brennan. Brennan should be under the jail.

Rudy was dealing with a shadowy govt And Biden was dealing with a good one, amirite? Rudy moved on to badgering Ukraine after the Mueller report. What about as early as 2014 when when the Obama admin blocked the Ukraine information on HRC and Biden?

Rudy has evidence. Nice try, Jan.

Decatur, take WaPo and line your attic with it to wipe your arse on a large paint bucket during a hurricane.

BTW; what dem campaign did you work for in Ga? Who do you support for President in 2020?
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:14 am
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51416 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:15 am to
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I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.


They won't. He's well-versed in the details and not only are those details damning to the Bidens but they are going to show the Dems in Congress trying to cover up the Biden's illegal activities by trying to Impeach the President who was about to expose it.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:15 am to
Thanks for always reminding us that yes, the left really is a bunch of fricking retards.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9893 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:18 am to
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I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.


He's really growing into Michael Cohen's fixer/bagman role.

Eta: anchored.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:19 am
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