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Giuliani pursued shadow Ukraine agenda as key foreign policy officials were sidelined
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:58 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:58 am
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President Trump’s attempt to pressure the leader of Ukraine followed a months-long fight inside the administration that sidelined national security officials and empowered political loyalists — including the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani — to exploit the U.S. relationship with Kiev, current and former U.S. officials said.
The sequence, which began early this year, involved the abrupt removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the circumvention of senior officials on the National Security Council, and the suspension of hundreds of millions of dollars of aid administered by the Defense and State departments — all as key officials from these agencies struggled to piece together Giuliani’s activities from news reports.
Several officials described tense meetings on Ukraine among national security officials at the White House leading up to the president’s phone call on July 25, sessions that led some participants to fear that Trump and those close to him appeared prepared to use U.S. leverage with the new leader of Ukraine for Trump’s political gain.
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Though the whistleblower report focuses on the Trump-Zelensky call, officials familiar with its contents said that it includes references to other developments tied to the president, including efforts by Giuliani to insert himself into U.S.-Ukrainian relations.
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Trump’s closest advisers, including acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was ordered by Trump to suspend the aid to Ukraine, are also increasingly targets of internal finger-pointing. Mulvaney has agitated for foreign aid to be cut universally but has also stayed away from meetings with Giuliani and Trump, officials said. But the person who appears to have been more directly involved at nearly every stage of the entanglement with Ukraine is Giuliani.
“Rudy — he did all of this,” one U.S. official said. “This s---show that we’re in — it’s him injecting himself into the process.”
Several officials traced their initial concerns about the path of U.S.-Ukrainian relations to news reports and interviews granted by Giuliani in which he began to espouse views and concerns that did not appear connected to U.S. priorities or policy.
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After the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, Giuliani turned his attention to Ukraine, officials said, and soon began pushing for personnel changes at the embassy while seeking meetings with Zelensky subordinates. He also had his own emissaries in Ukraine who were meeting with officials, setting up meetings for him and sending back information that he could circulate in the United States.
The U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, became a primary Giuliani target.
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The perception of a parallel, hidden agenda intensified in the summer as officials at the NSC, Pentagon and State Department began reacting to rumors that hundreds of millions of dollars of military and intelligence aid to Ukraine was being mysteriously impeded.
“There were never any orders given, any formal guidance from the White House to any of the agencies,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter. “And the NSC was scratching their heads: How is this possible?”
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I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:00 am to BuckyCheese
Did he sleep last night?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:02 am to Decatur
Their minds are made up regardless so it is time to go on record with a full vote.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:02 am to Decatur
quote:
Though the whistleblower report focuses on the Trump-Zelensky call, officials familiar with its contents said that it includes references to other developments tied to the president, including efforts by Giuliani to insert himself into U.S.-Ukrainian relations.
It was never about the call. It was never about the whistleblower complaint. They aren’t fooling anyone
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:03 am to Decatur
hahahahahahaha
Post more a-hole
You don't have much time.
Post more a-hole
You don't have much time.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:03 am to Decatur
Washington Post? When is the last time they got something right other than the date on their newspaper?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:05 am to Decatur
The president is the arbiter of foreign relations, not the IC or congress, sorry
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am to Decatur
Here go the Dems again....
"some people", "someone with knowledge", "key officials", "one US official"
People are on to your game plan libtards.
"some people", "someone with knowledge", "key officials", "one US official"
People are on to your game plan libtards.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am to Decatur
Ukrainian President said he was not pressured by Trump.
Vice President Biden proudly admits he did pressure Ukraine President.
DNC/MSM Political Complex must protect Biden and Impeach Trump!
Vice President Biden proudly admits he did pressure Ukraine President.
DNC/MSM Political Complex must protect Biden and Impeach Trump!
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to Decatur
quote:
After the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, Giuliani turned his attention to Ukraine, officials said, and soon began pushing for personnel changes at the embassy while seeking meetings with Zelensky subordinates
It’s already been uncovered that Obama lackeys, including the holdover ambassador, were blocking Ukrainian officials from reporting corruption in the country, by US persons, to the US doj.
I’m not surprised Obama loyalists weren’t happy about it, but this is a weird, retarded, and frankly laughable spin by the dnc’s Washington propaganda arm.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to Decatur
quote:Must see TV if Rudy goes before any of the House Dims.
I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
Can you imagine the idiots like AyOck, SJLee, Nadless Jerry, Ted Lieu trying to match wits with Rudy. Be like taking a selfie stick to a gunfight.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:07 am to Decatur
sounds like this was part of a plan. Rudy is claiming this was bait, which would make sense in the context of that article
this whole Ukraine angle, even if sincere, is still a pretty big nothingburther. Greta Thurnberg is a more legitimate and less manufactured story than this one
this whole Ukraine angle, even if sincere, is still a pretty big nothingburther. Greta Thurnberg is a more legitimate and less manufactured story than this one
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:08 am to Decatur
quote:Sounds like the author is stretching. Are you going to fall for this sort of stuff again, comrade?
phone call on July 25, sessions that led some participants to fear that Trump and those close to him appeared prepared to use U.S. leverage with the new leader of Ukraine for Trump’s political gain
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:10 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:I will wait patiently for Decatur to prove to us WaPo could finally not be fake news. WaPo is fed by Brennan. Brennan should be under the jail.
Washington Post? When is the last time they got something right other than the date on their newspaper?
Rudy was dealing with a shadowy govt And Biden was dealing with a good one, amirite? Rudy moved on to badgering Ukraine after the Mueller report. What about as early as 2014 when when the Obama admin blocked the Ukraine information on HRC and Biden?
Rudy has evidence. Nice try, Jan.
Decatur, take WaPo and line your attic with it to wipe your arse on a large paint bucket during a hurricane.
BTW; what dem campaign did you work for in Ga? Who do you support for President in 2020?
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:15 am to Decatur
quote:
I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
They won't. He's well-versed in the details and not only are those details damning to the Bidens but they are going to show the Dems in Congress trying to cover up the Biden's illegal activities by trying to Impeach the President who was about to expose it.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:15 am to Decatur
Thanks for always reminding us that yes, the left really is a bunch of fricking retards.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:18 am to Decatur
quote:
I guess Congress will want to hear from Rudy on this.
He's really growing into Michael Cohen's fixer/bagman role.
Eta: anchored.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:19 am
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