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re: Gay marriage should get looked at again just like abortion will
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:33 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:33 am to Lima Whiskey
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Marriage was a contract founded on having children, nothing less and nothing more.
No doubt. A covenant with the church. Of which is divested from the state. I’m a supporter of marriage, FWIW. I see benefits a plenty from 2 parent households.
But the government is not the place to take that argument. However, if it is to be regulated, let it be regulated by the states.
Anything else is to be taken up with your religion.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 10:38 am
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:48 am to FooManChoo
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If religion is the problem, as you say, then faith in what? Faith that your moral compass is oriented the right way? All people think that what they believe about reality is right, including their moral convictions. How do we do what is right if so many people differ on what they believe is the right thing to do?
It was a tongue in cheek response. What right for me is really just common sense in most cases.
Common sense says I couldn’t kill this person for no reason at all. It also says I shouldn’t jump out of a plane with no parachute. It tells me I shouldn’t run a red light. That I shouldnt look down on someone because of their choice of person to love.
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Like I said, religion isn't the problem. Sin is the problem.
Religion itself no. And maybe I should have worded it better. Religion can obviously create good things just as it can create bad. A lot of bad things have happened under the name of religion as a lot of great things. Can’t have one without the other right? Good vs evil etc. the tale told across time. Religion is a divider of people but also can unite.
To simply look down on a man for having feelings for another is a divider that I don’t think needs to be. I think there can be more coexisting there. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:50 am to CovingtonTigre
The left stole this debate. It has nothing to do with "why should it matter what gays want to do", but why should a state be forced to provide tax breaks to a gay couple? If Alabama doesn't see gay marriages as something good for Alabama, then they should have that right.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:55 am to Roger Klarvin
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Because as long as the federal government is in the business of rewarding marriage, they are obligated to extend the option to all consenting adults regardless of which sex they are wedded to.
Get rid of federal benefits and tax breaks for married couples, then we can talk.
The ole libertarian creed.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:00 am to Mo Jeaux
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The ole libertarian creed.
As long as the federal government grants benefits to married couples, refusing those rights to any set of consenting adults is a violation of both federal discrimination law and the 14th amendment. That’s not a “libertarian creed”, it’s just a fact.
The fed must get out of the marriage business before this a discussion can be had.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:02 am to burger bearcat
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If Alabama doesn't see gay marriages as something good for Alabama, then they should have that right.
Correct, but clearly a lot of “conservatives” here only care about federalism when it’s convenient. They’re going to love Joe’s voting rights act.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:04 am to CovingtonTigre
Gay marriage is not an issue. Two consenting adult humans should be able to marry. The GOP needs to let it be and focus on actual issues that need addressing. Two dudes, or two women, marrying is simply not one of those issues.
There are tons of new LGBT GOP voters who would immediately rescind their affiliation with the GOP — and let’s not mince words, while the LGBT community isn’t huge, they are mostly very politically minded with lots of disposable income to throw behind candidates.
The GOP gains nothing by ostracizing them.
There are tons of new LGBT GOP voters who would immediately rescind their affiliation with the GOP — and let’s not mince words, while the LGBT community isn’t huge, they are mostly very politically minded with lots of disposable income to throw behind candidates.
The GOP gains nothing by ostracizing them.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:08 am to Blitzed
quote:What if your view of common sense isn't the same view another might have? Also, it seems like you're saying that which you don't like determines that which is moral. What if other people have different likes and dislikes? Does that mean that which is right is dependent on the individual?
It was a tongue in cheek response. What right for me is really just common sense in most cases.
Common sense says I couldn’t kill this person for no reason at all. It also says I shouldn’t jump out of a plane with no parachute. It tells me I shouldn’t run a red light. That I shouldnt look down on someone because of their choice of person to love.
quote:This is why I said sin is the problem, not religion. Religion is just the expression of an innate religious desire that God has implanted in all people. We were created by God to worship and that exactly what we do. Sin perverts true worship in God.
Religion itself no. And maybe I should have worded it better. Religion can obviously create good things just as it can create bad. A lot of bad things have happened under the name of religion as a lot of great things. Can’t have one without the other right? Good vs evil etc. the tale told across time. Religion is a divider of people but also can unite.
quote:Jesus said He came to divide, not unite. Unity is a great thing where possible, but the truth does divide people. I'm happy to coexist with others, but I'm not happy to tolerate sin, much less celebrate it.
To simply look down on a man for having feelings for another is a divider that I don’t think needs to be. I think there can be more coexisting there. Just my opinion.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:12 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Bc you can’t get that toothpaste back in the tube.
You could just make it so that all state sanctioned arrangements are a special type of registered domestic partnership, and reserve the word 'marriage' for the traditional religious realm only.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:13 am to CovingtonTigre
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I don’t know get why so many other “Republicans” just gave up on this issue.
Because it is a losing political issue, and the United States government should not be in the business of preventing two consenting adults from entering into a civil contract.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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As long as the federal government grants benefits to married couples, refusing those rights to any set of consenting adults is a violation of both federal discrimination law and the 14th amendment. That’s not a “libertarian creed”, it’s just a fact.
It wasn't a "fact" for quite a while in our history.
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The fed must get out of the marriage business before this a discussion can be had.
A nation has a right, and an obligation, to promote a healthy society.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:15 am to Indefatigable
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Because it is a losing political issue
Conservatives should be used to being on the losing side. It's their raison d'etre.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:15 am to TrueTiger
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You could just make it so that all state sanctioned arrangements are a special type of registered domestic partnership, and reserve the word 'marriage' for the traditional religious realm only.
So semantics? How meaningless
Who cares what they call it legally? Marriage in a legal context is nothing more than a contract to enter into a certain legal regimen with another person.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:17 am to CovingtonTigre
How about just call them civil unions and leave marriages to the church.
Everyone wins.
Everyone wins.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:19 am to burger bearcat
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If Alabama doesn't see gay marriages as something good for Alabama, then they should have that right.
That doesn't pass muster. Preventing consenting adults from entering into a contract on the basis of their gender (i.e., because both individuals are male or female) is unconstitutional.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:20 am to Mo Jeaux
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It wasn't a "fact" for quite a while in our history.
Women weren’t allowed to vote for most of American history, and then they were. Now trying to remove that ability from them would be a violation of federal law.
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A nation has a right, and an obligation, to promote a healthy society.
We should probably take notes from the gays then, as they are much healthier on average than the general population
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:28 am to Indefatigable
quote:Words have meanings. If marriage as an institution is a religious arrangement, then the word matters. Just because there's a legal element to marriage doesn't change what marriage is. You can't separate the religious aspect of it by merely talking about it in legal terms, as if it's nothing more than a contract with a big party after its signed.
So semantics? How meaningless
Who cares what they call it legally? Marriage in a legal context is nothing more than a contract to enter into a certain legal regimen with another person.
The term "marriage" has meaning apart from the legal side of it, so we can't divorce the religious aspects of it.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:31 am to CovingtonTigre
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Why can’t we do the same with gay marriage? I don’t know get why so many other “Republicans” just gave up on this issue.
Why the hell do you care who someone gets married to?
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:32 am to FooManChoo
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What if your view of common sense isn't the same view another might have? Also, it seems like you're saying that which you don't like determines that which is moral. What if other people have different likes and dislikes? Does that mean that which is right is dependent on the individual?
What if? What if? Well there is no what if. What you are saying is true. My interpretation of common sense is my view and will not be shared by all..but by many. Just as is your interpretation of religion, sin, God, etc.
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This is why I said sin is the problem, not religion. Religion is just the expression of an innate religious desire that God has implanted in all people. We were created by God to worship and that exactly what we do. Sin perverts true worship in God.
I do not believe fully in the word of God from the Bible. The Bible has been touched by the hands of man who are in fact not without sin.
We could go on and on but I need lunch.
Godspeed
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:32 am to CovingtonTigre
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Why can’t we do the same with gay marriage?
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“Republicans” just gave up on this issue.
1. The issue should not be a Federal Government issue. It should be a State Government issue.
2. As a Republican, I don't want my government telling me who I can and can't take as a life partner as long as he/she is a consenting adult.
3. As a Republican, I don't want my government telling YOU who YOU can and can't take as a life partner as long as he/she is a consenting adult.
4. We have much bigger problems in our nation with the breakdown of the nuclear family. Hell, at this point, we should be applauding ANY TWO consenting adults (who aren't related) in pursuing the sanctimony of marriage.
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