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FTX, SBF, just dumb...
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:22 pm
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Imagine coming into the company all-hands meeting at the lucrative trading firm you work at, in the Bahamas, far away from your friends and family and competitors, in a slightly cult-like environment where your every need is catered to out of the firm’s enormous profits. And then your 28-year-old boss is like “so guys, a little bad news, actually we’re a Ponzi? Sorry if I didn’t mention that earlier.” Everyone quit immediately, but much too late.
That meeting happened on Nov. 9, the day after FTX death-spiraled and tried to sell itself to Binance, and has been reported before. But now Ellison is cooperating with prosecutors and regulators, so we have their version of her version of the meeting and, oof. Here is how the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission describes it:
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On the morning of November 9 at approximately 10 AM ET, after the announcement of the then-contemplated Binance acquisition, Ellison held an “all-hands” meeting with Alameda staff. In that meeting, Ellison acknowledged that earlier that year, she, Bankman-Fried and other individuals had decided to use FTX customer assets to pay Alameda’s debts, and that Wang and another FTX executive were aware of this. Specifically, in that meeting, Ellison stated that, “starting last year” Alameda was “borrowing a bunch of money by open term loans” and used those assets to “make very illiquid investments.” Ellison further explained that following the widespread decline of digital asset prices most of Alameda’s loans had been recalled and, in order to meet those recalls, Alameda borrowed “a bunch of funds” from FTX, which in turn “led to FTX having a shortfall in user funds.” Ellison informed Alameda staff that FTX had “always allowed” Alameda to borrow customer assets, and did not require collateral for those loans. She also explained that Alameda could access user assets without requiring FTX’s approval as the “structure” allowed Alameda to “go negative in coins.” In response to an employee question, Ellison also acknowledged that her November 6 tweet to the Binance CEO offering to buy his FTT holdings at $22 per token was “kind of a misleading thing to tweet” and expressed remorse. Shortly after this meeting, most of Alameda’s staff resigned.
“Go negative in coins” is an incredible euphemism, really. The idea is that Alameda could deposit, say, 1,000 Bitcoin at FTX, and then it would have a balance of 1,000 Bitcoin. And then it could withdraw, say, 3,000 Bitcoin from FTX, and then it would have a balance of -2,000 Bitcoin. If you have a negative balance at your bank, bad things happen. When Alameda had a negative balance at FTX, that was just fine. Until it wasn’t.
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Just incredible.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:23 pm to cwill
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Just incredible.
Something about a fool and his money comes to mind...
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:36 pm to The Maj
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Something about a fool and his money comes to mind...
I'm having a hard time mustering sympathy for them that got skinned, especially the sophisticated investors who did zero due diligence, which I think is the defines this era of fraud. That and the overvaluation of IQ.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:43 pm to cwill
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overvaluation of IQ.
I resemble that remark.
I warned all my associations bitcoin is a ponzi.
my daughter and sisters asked if they should bet on bitcoin. I said its a ponzi. you may hit big before it falls apart.
I wouldn't.
even now influencers claim bitcoin will hit 100k soon. I see some movie and sports figures are being sued.
one feature of bitcoin is how hackers make off with millions by getting into the conduits between systems.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:46 pm to CelticDog
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I warned all my associations bitcoin is a ponzi.
Yep.
I've tried to find some kind of objective value, but its just a ponzi scheme.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:54 pm to CelticDog
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I warned all my associations bitcoin is a ponzi.
my daughter and sisters asked if they should bet on bitcoin. I said its a ponzi. you may hit big before it falls apart.
I wouldn't.
The whole bitcoin phenom is a fraud and I can't believe how many people actually bought into this....have said the same thing for years....it's not a fiat currency and it's completely unregulated. Bitcoin is only worth what the next guy will pay for it.
Block chain technology is real and banks are using it but these bitcoin exchanges are laughable
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
"Cryptocurrency is a limited supply of nothing."
- Billionaire John Paulson
- Billionaire John Paulson
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:59 pm to cwill
Forget it, it was a typo as I had thought.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:01 pm to cwill
Now transfer that dismay to any number of your other political mantras
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:35 pm to CelticDog
The hackers are 100% real too …
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:41 pm to cwill
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I'm having a hard time mustering sympathy for them that got skinned
I am as well... Of course, I did not see the sales pitch on it either... About the only ones I might have some sympathy for would be those where there was investment on their behalf...
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:43 pm to The Maj
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sympathy for would be those where there was investment on their behalf...
Yes. They should sue the hedge fund (Sequoia) for failing to do any due dil.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:45 pm to cwill
quote:Binance was eyeballs deep in the whole episode. BNB being next on the chopping block warms my cockles.
I'm having a hard time mustering sympathy for them that got skinned
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:45 pm to cwill
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Ellison is cooperating with prosecutors and regulators
Yep, Ellison is the daughter of the former boss of the current SEC boss.
Heck, SBF is doing nothing different than our politicians. He is taking money from people and using it for unintended purposes.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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Binance was eyeballs deep in the whole episode. BNB being next on the chopping block warms my cockles.
Another instance of a "smart guy" being too dumb to realize imploding his nearest competitor may bring blowback and scrutiny to his own scam shop.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 4:02 pm to Timeoday
quote:he's a piker compared to most politicians
Heck, SBF is doing nothing different than our politicians. He is taking money from people and using it for unintended purposes.
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