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First Pentecostal Church of Holly Springs, MS arson follow up - extraordinary
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:20 pm
The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a decision on an underlying court case. Judge Don Willett wrote a powerful and timely concurrence:
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DON R. WILLETT, Circuit Judge, concurring.
The First Pentecostal Church of Holly Springs was burned to the ground earlier this week. Graffiti spray-painted in the church parking lot sneered, “Bet you Stay home Now YOU HYPOKRITS.”
The City mentions the church burning in its latest brief, but in a manner less commendable than condemnable. One might expect a city to express sympathy or outrage (or both) when a neighborhood house of worship is set ablaze. One would be mistaken. Rather than condemn the crime’s depravity, the City seized advantage, insisting that the Church’s First Amendment claim necessarily went up in smoke when the church did: “the Church was destroyed from an arson fire . . . making the permanent injunction claim moot.”
This argument is shameful.
When the parishioners of First Pentecostal Church leave their homes on Sundays, they are not going to church; they are the church. The church is not the building. When the New Testament speaks of the church, it never refers to brick-and-mortar places where people gather, but to flesh-and-blood people who gather together.1 Think people, not steeple. I concur in the court’s grant of injunctive relief. Singling out houses of worship—and only houses of worship, it seems—cannot possibly be squared with the First Amendment.
1. “Ekklesia,” the Greek word for church, means the gathered ones, an assembly of the faithful. See Ekklesia, The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (Alexander P. Kashdan ed., 1991) (“personification of the church”).
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:24 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Racist!
Only Black Churches Matter!
Only Black Churches Matter!
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:41 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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DON R. WILLETT, Circuit Judge, concurring.
Thanks Judge Willet.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:16 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
We need to show love to these people who hate Christ and His people. We need to pray for their salvation and that God would show them mercy.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
How were these judges able to write an opinion without hiring an attorney to represent them?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:19 pm to FooManChoo
Forget that.
We need a crusade.
We need a crusade.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:22 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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When the parishioners of First Pentecostal Church leave their homes on Sundays, they are not going to church; they are the church. The church is not the building. When the New Testament speaks of the church, it never refers to brick-and-mortar places where people gather, but to flesh-and-blood people who gather together.1 Think people, not steeple. I concur in the court’s grant of injunctive relief. Singling out houses of worship—and only houses of worship, it seems—cannot possibly be squared with the First Amendment.
No one’s saying they can’t have online services via technology
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:24 pm to chalmetteowl
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No one’s saying they can’t have online services via technology
Churches should/could choose that option. Not because the state says it their only option.
You can’t justify the shutdown of churches in 80% of states based on the prevalence of the disease. Maybe 90%.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:24 pm to chalmetteowl
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:29 pm to chalmetteowl
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No one’s saying they can’t have online services via technology
The judge just said “GFY” you progressive POS. Think people not steeples! The First Amendment stands!
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:00 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:We are to assemble together. We were/are told to assemble together and there is an underlying reason we are told to assemble together. That underlying reason is not fulfilled by having "online services via technology", genius.
No one’s saying they can’t have online services via technology
If you are going to be completely ignorant, do it silently and invisibly.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:06 pm to arcalades
quote:unfortunately it hasn’t been safe to do so. I’m not sure why churches think they’re different from other venues that have had to close for the time being
We are to assemble together. We were/are told to assemble together and there is an underlying reason we are told to assemble together.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:21 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:You don’t understand why Christians who are commanded by God to worship Him together would be different from people associating in other contexts not commanded by God?
I’m not sure why churches think they’re different from other venues that have had to close for the time being
For most congregations, remote services are OK and not a conviction, but for others, there are spiritual needs that can be met through in-person fellowship that cannot be adequately simulated remotely.
Also, it doesn’t look good when there are “non-essential” venues that are opening up throughout the country (like bars) while spiritually-essential places of worship are not able to open, even in limited fashion, at the same time.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:26 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Forget that.
We need a crusade.
NO NO! We must be peaceful! My fellow Christians we must welcome non-believers with open arms and pacifism and kiss their feet. Diversity is our strength.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:29 pm to chalmetteowl
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unfortunately it hasn’t been safe to do so.
Where?
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I’m not sure why churches think they’re different from other venues that have had to close for the time being
Probably because there’s no “freedom of Kohl’s” in the constitution. Secondly, they shouldn’t have been shut either.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:31 pm to FooManChoo
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For most congregations, remote services are OK and not a conviction, but for others, there are spiritual needs that can be met through in-person fellowship that cannot be adequately simulated remotely.
Whether it’s ok for them or not, the point of religious services is to gather together.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:44 pm to FooManChoo
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We need to show love to these people who hate Christ and His people. We need to pray for their salvation and that God would show them mercy.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. No.
We need to grow some fricking balls.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:48 pm to the808bass
quote:don’t shoot me for this question, but when you go to church, are you there to listen to the preacher, sing hymns, and reflect? Under what circumstance do you absolutely need the people next to you there?
Whether it’s ok for them or not, the point of religious services is to gather together.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 3:00 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Any filth demon that burns down a church needs to be summarily dealt with.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 3:23 pm to chalmetteowl
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No one’s saying they can’t have online services via technology
To play Devil’s advocates, pun intended,
what if they were Amish? Does the 1st Amendment not apply to people without the ability to go online for services without conflicting with their moral obligation?
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