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Every first responder knows those 50/50 situations...
Posted on 2/24/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/24/18 at 9:45 pm
It's easy to do your none on anything 70/30 or better. shite sometimes the little bit of risk adds some fun.
50/50...things start to get real. Decisions slow down. Choices seem stark by contrast. This is the point where most first responders are told to weigh before action
40/60 or worse and first responders are told not to act and to wait.
Sheriff Israel and his Muslim coward underlings must think 80/20 is a no go.
50/50...things start to get real. Decisions slow down. Choices seem stark by contrast. This is the point where most first responders are told to weigh before action
40/60 or worse and first responders are told not to act and to wait.
Sheriff Israel and his Muslim coward underlings must think 80/20 is a no go.
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:03 pm to CptBengal
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40/60 or worse and first responders are told not to act and to wait.
I thought after Columbine all LEO were told to engage immediately in an active shooter situation?
(because all those cops sat around with their dicks in their hands while kids were being slaughtered)
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:29 pm to IllegalPete
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I thought after Columbine all LEO were told to engage immediately in an active shooter situation?
That's what they're suppose to do.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:48 pm to CptBengal
As a first responder, I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Those 4 cops in Broward are cowards. It’s the same sentiment I’m seeing from cops all over the country. We are trained to engage after Columbine. We train on it all the time, at least my dept does. This post I ran across today sums it up perfectly in my opinion.
In saying all of that, this whole thing is fricky and stinks. I anticipate more to come out.
In saying all of that, this whole thing is fricky and stinks. I anticipate more to come out.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:54 pm to CptBengal
CPT,
No one belives you've done anything more stressful than shout at your TV with a mouthful of Cheetos.
No one belives you've done anything more stressful than shout at your TV with a mouthful of Cheetos.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:58 pm to okietiger13
Now it's being reported that Israel and his Muslim deputy spent time in a mosque teaching them how to deal with a crazed white male mass shooter. Can't make this shite up, folks.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:07 am to okietiger13
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okietiger13
People talk big, but when the shite hits the fan, many don't live up to the big talk.
The bigger someone talks, the more I know they are full of shite.
I don't know Michelle Cook, but she comes across as a big talker to me. Only an a-hole would say something like that.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 12:08 am
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:09 am to Langland
If Israel were a sheriff around here we would have formed up a lynch mob and gone after him by now
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:49 am to IllegalPete
quote:
thought after Columbine all LEO were told to engage immediately in an active shooter situation?
Partially right. Back then they waited on SWAT. Then it changed to waiting for a few officer to wait and have a team going in.
It’s since been changed to every officer goes to the threat. Alone or with others. If others are already in try to link up with them
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:18 am to Langland
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Langland
quote:
People talk big, but when the shite hits the fan, many don't live up to the big talk.
Any experience to back that up?
quote:
The bigger someone talks, the more I know they are full of shite.
Talking about fricking up a guy in a bar trying to be a badass, I completely agree. I’ve always been taught to watch the silent ones.
Having cops mentally prepare for confrontations and have a positive outcome in their head? Yeah, I’ll call bullshite here. Every building I enter, I’m sizing us the exits and choke points. After 10 years, my wife automatically knows that I’ll be facing the door and sits accordingly.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with planning ahead, not matter how small the scale or circumstance.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:19 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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FelicianaTigerfan
Hey fricker
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:08 am to okietiger13
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quote: Langland quote: People talk big, but when the shite hits the fan, many don't live up to the big talk. Any experience to back that up? quote: The bigger someone talks, the more I know they are full of shite. Talking about fricking up a guy in a bar trying to be a badass, I completely agree. I’ve always been taught to watch the silent ones. Having cops mentally prepare for confrontations and have a positive outcome in their head? Yeah, I’ll call bullshite here. Every building I enter, I’m sizing us the exits and choke points. After 10 years, my wife automatically knows that I’ll be facing the door and sits accordingly. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with planning ahead, not matter how small the scale or circumstance.
To be clear, do you agree with the OPs sentiment regarding crisis planning?
Just because someone trains for a decade to size up choke points and exits doesn’t mean they won’t use their wife as a human shield the first time they encounter a real world threat.
Anyone who’s completed basic training, OCS, or even pledged a fraternity has been endlessly drilled to jump on a loose grenade in the foxhole... and by graduation, there’s a 100% selflessness success rate. But, let’s be honest, nobody has unbridled faith that their peers will really follow through if that day actually arrives.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:09 am to Langland
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Only an a-hole would say something like that.
Or someone that does her job and has no respect for those that live off taxpayers funds while shirking their duties and expects people that take an oath to actually live up to it.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:48 am to Langland
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I don't know Michelle Cook, but she comes across as a big talker to me. Only an a-hole would say something like that.
So.... You're stance is that police who would respond to a police shooting actually do want, or at least are neutral towards, police officers who will not engage a school shooter and save the lives of children?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:59 am to okietiger13
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People talk big, but when the shite hits the fan, many don't live up to the big talk.
Any experience to back that up?
quote:
The bigger someone talks, the more I know they are full of shite.
Talking about fricking up a guy in a bar trying to be a badass, I completely agree. I’ve always been taught to watch the silent ones.
Having cops mentally prepare for confrontations and have a positive outcome in their head? Yeah, I’ll call bullshite here. Every building I enter, I’m sizing us the exits and choke points. After 10 years, my wife automatically knows that I’ll be facing the door and sits accordingly.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with planning ahead, not matter how small the scale or circumstance.
Excellent post.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:04 am to okietiger13
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Any experience to back that up?
Yes.
People are built around self-preservation.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:12 am to CptBengal
I’m not defending the Deputies who failed to respond however, think about the harsh criticism that law enforcement has had to endure for the past eight years. Many officers lives have been destroyed because of false allegations about excessive use of force. They have been fired, sued and prosecuted in a very public way. It’s no wonder LEOs have become hesitant to respond. They are no different than anybody else. They have wives, kids and plenty of bills to pay.
I do think that engaging an active shooter with your duty weapon is a death wish. The tactical advantage that an AR15 has over a 9mm is massive. There is a very high likelihood that the Deputy would have been immediately shot when he tried to engage the shooter.
LEO training beats it into your head that becoming a casualty only worsen situations for the other officers who are trying to respond. Tactics 101 is to establish a perimeter and wait for lots of backup to arrive.
Also keep in mind that the Orlando Police Department and Orange County SO took about two hours to breach the Pulse nightclub. How come they didn’t get criticized?
They didn’t because their leaders didn’t make an arse of themselves on national TV for political purposes.
I do think that engaging an active shooter with your duty weapon is a death wish. The tactical advantage that an AR15 has over a 9mm is massive. There is a very high likelihood that the Deputy would have been immediately shot when he tried to engage the shooter.
LEO training beats it into your head that becoming a casualty only worsen situations for the other officers who are trying to respond. Tactics 101 is to establish a perimeter and wait for lots of backup to arrive.
Also keep in mind that the Orlando Police Department and Orange County SO took about two hours to breach the Pulse nightclub. How come they didn’t get criticized?
They didn’t because their leaders didn’t make an arse of themselves on national TV for political purposes.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:15 am to IllegalPete
quote:They were.
I thought after Columbine all LEO were told to engage immediately in an active shooter situation?
The Sheriff seems to have provided mixed messages about that.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:42 am to okietiger13
quote:It is what it is.
As a first responder, I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Those 4 cops in Broward are cowards.
Peterson heard the shots fired. He radioed it.
The sound of "shots fired" is very likely not all he heard.
Audio of students' blood curdling screams during the episode gives a sense as to what Peterson and apparently four other deputies refused to engage.
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