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Eric Garner's death and sin taxes
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:00 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:00 am
CNSNEWS
While I don't agree with all of the writers conclusions, he does make some good points about the left and how they want to control every aspect of our lives.
It's ironic that the left was once the side that uttered the mantra," you can't legislate morality!"
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let’s consider for a moment the stated reason for the police confronting Garner in the first place. Despite an assertion by journalist Matt Taibbi that the New York resident was approached by officers because they were under orders to “clean” up the corner, police maintain it was because Garner was selling “loosies.” Loosie is slang for a single smoke that can be purchased for a few cents – usually somewhere between 10 cents and a quarter. And why, pray tell, would people want to buy only one cigarette? Could it be because New York’s nanny legislators have driven the price of a pack of cigarettes into the stratosphere? Today the Big Apple is home to the most expensive smokes in the nation, at $13 a pack. Back when Garner was alive, it was probably around $10.50. Rest assured, all that money isn’t going into the pockets of Philip Morris. Ultimately, these astronomical prices aren’t going to affect the nicotine addiction of Buffy from the Upper East Side, but for those on a limited income, you can bet your derriere it does. Loosies are part of those innocuous, do-gooder sin taxes. As Liberty NationEconomic Correspondent Andrew Moran pointed out, “The sin tax eventually morphed into pecuniary penalties on a wide range of goods: tobacco, gambling, candies, drugs, gasoline, and so much more. We didn’t rebel, though. We just accepted it.”
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Sin taxes are designed to regulate behavior, and they are being enacted from one end of America to the other at warp speed by liberal legislators who feel the need to control the conduct of their constituency. Promote health, scarf up a bundle of money – what possibly could be the downside here? That’s the mentality of lefty legislators who can’t stop themselves from telling you what to do and taking your money in the process. It may have started with smokes and booze, but it has morphed into taxes on sugar, fat, and meat. This political crusade rakes in a lot of tax money – something the left likes more than almost anything else on the planet
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You don’t see a ton of poor people in the organic aisle at Whole Foods. And they are not the ones standing in line for a Maui Wowi with an energy boost at Jamba Juice. If you are making ends meet with a welfare check, chances are you do not want to pay $12 for a bunch of grapes. This is not a stereotype; it is reality. So, the political party that advertises itself as a champion of the underprivileged work overtime to tax its communities and then direct law enforcement to implement its Draconian laws.
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Perhaps this sounds old-fashioned or out of touch, but why do elected officials believe it’s their duty to force everyone to conform to what they think is best? Some folks want to drink a Super Big Gulp. Others want a Big Mac and supersize fries. People like Garner just should be left in peace. It seems the control freaks on the left would do a better job for the poor if they just stopped trying to legislate behavior and adopt a live-and-let-live attitude.
While I don't agree with all of the writers conclusions, he does make some good points about the left and how they want to control every aspect of our lives.
It's ironic that the left was once the side that uttered the mantra," you can't legislate morality!"
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 6:02 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:06 am to Revelator
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he does make some good points about the left and how they want to control every aspect of our lives.
True but EG's death isn't related to the sin tax. Trust me, there's no "loosies" epidemic in NYC or anywhere else.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:08 am to Wtodd
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True but EG's death isn't related to the sin tax. Trust me, there's no "loosies" epidemic in NYC or anywhere else.
Oh I agree. I was more interested in the topic of sin taxes and the lefts zealous rush to control all of our behaviors and how it disproportionately affects the poor.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 6:09 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:12 am to Wtodd
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True but EG's death isn't related to the sin tax.
Its related to the cigarette tax.
Progressive overregulation requires law enforcement commit violence to get the population to comply. There's no reason to lay hands on anyone for selling "loosies" on the street.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:13 am to Revelator
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I was more interested in the topic of sin taxes and the lefts zealous rush to control all of our behaviors and how it disproportionately affects the poor.
2 separate issues; trying to control us and taxes.....the left truly doesn't give 2 shits about us but they do care about how much of our $$$$ they can steal which I agree
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disproportionately affects the poor
Damn shame people don't fight back especially at the ballot box.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressive overregulation requires law enforcement commit violence to get the population to comply. There's no reason to lay hands on anyone for selling "loosies" on the street.
Well it's, "loosely" related!
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:15 am to Wtodd
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2 separate issues; trying to control us and taxes....
I totally disagree. The left is filled with do gooders that think taxing you is a great way to cotrol your behaviors.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 6:16 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:17 am to Revelator
$12 for grapes
$13 for smokes
Anecdotal citations, but he never addresses why one group with a $15 in its hand will choose one over the other.
$13 for smokes
Anecdotal citations, but he never addresses why one group with a $15 in its hand will choose one over the other.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:21 am to Revelator
Sin taxes, like the lottery, are taxes on the poor. What’s most confusing is trying to keep up with when we should be concerned about policies that disproportionately affect poor people vs. enacting laws that stick it to corporations; and which Rights are okay to limit to socioeconomic classes. An underprivileged persons Right to vote can’t be gated behind ID, but the Right to defend themself is apparently perfectly fine. Makes no sense.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:33 am to Revelator
De Blasio was warned that this would happen with the new tax. “Lucy” sales would spike and state line trafficking (known to support terrorist activity) would be even more attractive. He gave two shits. After the warnings came true, the Bodega Association/Union of NYC bitched about loss of sales and demanded support or face electoral consequences. De Blasio then pressured the NYPD to use extreme measures days before EG’s death. The blood is on the hands of unprepared taxation and William De Blasio.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:49 am to Revelator
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It's ironic that the left was once the side that uttered the mantra," you can't legislate morality!"
the left and the right both want to legislate morality, it's just a matter of how much and what.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 6:51 am to celltech1981
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the left and the right both want to legislate morality, it's just a matter of how much and what.
Social cons and Progressives are two sides of the same coin.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressive overregulation requires law enforcement commit violence to get the population to comply. There's no reason to lay hands on anyone for selling "loosies" on the street.
I've been saying this from day one. Government needs to stick with the basics of having the police work against murder, stealing, and rape.
Involving them in every aspect of behavior will lead to negative interaction and will cause death.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:03 am to celltech1981
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the left and the right both want to legislate morality, it's just a matter of how much and what.
True, but the right wanting a cross to remain by the highway or the 10 commandments in a courtroom, doesn't affect my pocketbook like sin taxes might.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:05 am to Wtodd
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True but EG's death isn't related to the sin tax.
True - EGs death was related to his actions upon being approached by LEO.
Same as the hood rat getting into a shootout with Police because he was stopped fror a broken taillight - it is not related to the taillight.
It is related to resisting arrest - plain and simple.
If you want to argue that stupid taxes leads more people to do stupid, illegal things, that's fine - but as long as they don't accost the person DOING THEIR JOB it is not because of the arrestt - it is because of their OWN actions.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:09 am to Revelator
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While I don't agree with all of the writers conclusions, he does make some good points about the left and how they want to control every aspect of our lives.
It's ironic that the left was once the side that uttered the mantra," you can't legislate morality!"
This isn't a "left" or a "right" issue its an epidemic on both sides. The only difference is each base generally agrees with whatever morality laws where implemented by the party they identify with.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:10 am to Revelator
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True, but the right wanting a cross to remain by the highway or the 10 commandments in a courtroom, doesn't affect my pocketbook like sin taxes might.
There are still plenty of dry counties in the conservative south. That affects a lot of pocketbooks.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:13 am to mindbreaker
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This isn't a "left" or a "right" issue its an epidemic on both sides. The only difference is each base generally agrees with whatever morality laws where implemented by the party they identify with.
I don't agree.
The Right largely wants to maintain moralities that have historically existed and they aren't trying to implement new moralities.
The left are always trying to pass new taxes that are constantly expanding and constantly costing the taxpayer more money.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 7:17 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:20 am to YankeeBama
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The blood is on the hands of unprepared taxation and William De Blasio.
I know this thread is talking about taxation and regulation and the enforcement of such being a cause of an increase in police encounters with citizens, but that’s far from the proximal cause of Garner’s death.
Garner’s death is primarily the result of two things: his decision to resist and his poor health.
His decision to resist is part of a growing trend among black Americans who are taught to believe they are constant victims of racism and maltreatment by police despite evidence to the contrary.
This victim narrative is repeated with the desired effect of political agitation. The result is predictable: more resistance to legitimate police enforcement; more unnecessary deaths of citizens and police; less proactive policing/crime fighting; more crime and violence in the communities most in need of policing.
Thank you, Democrats. Thank you, Black Lives Matter. Thank you, Colin Kaepernick. Thanks to all of you who emote but fail to think beyond simple partisan narratives.
Besides Garner’s own responsibility for his death, your responsibility is a close second and way in front of the over-regulation/over-taxation issues which is a distal cause only.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:25 am to YankeeBama
quote:I'm amazed that truck hijacking has NOT become popular once again. Due to the excessive taxes on cigs, a truckload in transit is worth millions of dollars. Late 70's/early 80's hijacking for electronics was popular as there was a large markup wholesale-retail but not multiple millions of dollars for a single load kinda markup.
De Blasio was warned that this would happen with the new tax. “Lucy” sales would spike and state line trafficking (known to support terrorist activity) would be even more attractive. He gave two shits. After the warnings came true, the Bodega Association/Union of NYC bitched about loss of sales and demanded support or face electoral consequences. De Blasio then pressured the NYPD to use extreme measures days before EG’s death. The blood is on the hands of unprepared taxation and William De Blasio.
Without sin taxes, cigs would still be around $0.35 per pack.
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