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Educational Fraud is Rampant
Posted by anc on 4/29/18 at 10:41 am486
Earlier this semester, I gave a simple assignment. It consisted of a 2-3 page paper just to see if my students were grasping a particular subject.
A freshman student who sat in the front row, spoke up in discussions, and seemed like a good student turned in a piece of garbage. It was about a page and a half, didn't make sense, and earned this student a C, and I was being generous.
The student came to my office and cried. She said she had never made a C in her life. And I believed her. I showed her what she did wrong, gave her some pointers, and the next paper was much improved. But I could not get over how bad the first paper was for such a good student.
A colleague of mine stated that in high schools, the A student of today was more like the C student of our time. In fact, 60 percent of the grades given in high schools are As, yet 45% of graduates cannot read at a middle school level.
Some more stats of interest:
According t the ACT only 37% of test takers are "ready for college," yet 70 percent of high school graduates enroll in college.
Among black students, the number is 7%.
63% of high school graduates are reading at an 8th grade level or below
Among black students, the number is 85%.
Over half of college students take at least one remedial course.
Why are majors like Gender Studies, Cultural Studies and Ethnic Studies becoming so popular? These degree programs require zero analytical skills. Its the same reason the 'Education' major was created.
60% of the football and basketball teams at the University of North Carolina, a public ivy , read at a 4th grade - 8th grade level (10% are lower).
Outcomes: 1 in 3 college graduates hold a job that does not even require a high school diploma.
A freshman student who sat in the front row, spoke up in discussions, and seemed like a good student turned in a piece of garbage. It was about a page and a half, didn't make sense, and earned this student a C, and I was being generous.
The student came to my office and cried. She said she had never made a C in her life. And I believed her. I showed her what she did wrong, gave her some pointers, and the next paper was much improved. But I could not get over how bad the first paper was for such a good student.
A colleague of mine stated that in high schools, the A student of today was more like the C student of our time. In fact, 60 percent of the grades given in high schools are As, yet 45% of graduates cannot read at a middle school level.
Some more stats of interest:
According t the ACT only 37% of test takers are "ready for college," yet 70 percent of high school graduates enroll in college.
Among black students, the number is 7%.
63% of high school graduates are reading at an 8th grade level or below
Among black students, the number is 85%.
Over half of college students take at least one remedial course.
Why are majors like Gender Studies, Cultural Studies and Ethnic Studies becoming so popular? These degree programs require zero analytical skills. Its the same reason the 'Education' major was created.
60% of the football and basketball teams at the University of North Carolina, a public ivy , read at a 4th grade - 8th grade level (10% are lower).
Outcomes: 1 in 3 college graduates hold a job that does not even require a high school diploma.
This post was edited on 4/29 at 10:45 am
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by CoachChappy on 4/29/18 at 10:46 am to anc
Academic standards have been lowered due to political decision making. It looks bad if a school has too many student failing, too many suspensions, or too many drop outs. Therefore, schools are forced to fudge the numbers.
The greatest lie ever told in education is that every student is special and must go to college/graduate high school. Some people are not made for school. They should be taught job skills instead of algebra and Shakespeare.
Luckily, Louisiana is actually moving forward on this with the jumpstart program. I am advocating to start the program in middle school. There is no reason to try to teach graphing linear functions to a student who will never use it in real life.
The greatest lie ever told in education is that every student is special and must go to college/graduate high school. Some people are not made for school. They should be taught job skills instead of algebra and Shakespeare.
Luckily, Louisiana is actually moving forward on this with the jumpstart program. I am advocating to start the program in middle school. There is no reason to try to teach graphing linear functions to a student who will never use it in real life.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by starsandstripes on 4/29/18 at 10:57 am to Joshjrn
All of this is the fault of the Ivy League. For decades they have produced massive grade inflation. It's one thing to see two candidates, one from Univ of Mich and the other Yale, but when the Yale student has honors, Suma this and Magna that - it really tips the scales. This gives Ivy grads an advantage out there, which is what the Ivies need.
Tucker ran a segment on this last week. The most common grade in college is an A.
This practice has spilled down, all the way to high schools now. Lot of idiots walking around with 4.2 GPA in high school.
It's pretty sad that we can't even trust educators to hand out honest grades any longer.
Tucker ran a segment on this last week. The most common grade in college is an A.
This practice has spilled down, all the way to high schools now. Lot of idiots walking around with 4.2 GPA in high school.
It's pretty sad that we can't even trust educators to hand out honest grades any longer.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by NewGrad1212 on 4/29/18 at 11:14 am to anc
It seems to me that you are a good professor/TA and the student is also smart.
A college paper can be much more demanding compared to a high school paper. The student turned in a bad paper. You were able to show her what is expected and she improved. Props to you both.
If they don't improve then you know the system has issues. But the crying in the office part is what concerns me the most.
A college paper can be much more demanding compared to a high school paper. The student turned in a bad paper. You were able to show her what is expected and she improved. Props to you both.
If they don't improve then you know the system has issues. But the crying in the office part is what concerns me the most.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by TupeloTiger on 4/29/18 at 11:22 am to NewGrad1212
When I was a Senator, the Teacher's Union came to me every year for more money and benefits, and less classtime/hours and days off for silly things. They also told me they were giving ALL Black students a "C" if they just came to school. They gave B's and A's if they did any work at all. This was to not make the teachers look bad. The Union has ruined Education and we can not do anything about it.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by Joshjrn on 4/29/18 at 11:22 am to NewGrad1212
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A college paper can be much more demanding compared to a high school paper.
And I've actually been saying for years that this is a problem. I went to very good schools, and it wasn't until late highschool/early college that I really wrapped my head around the fact that taking someone else's published work and "rewording it to make it your own thoughts" is fricking bullshite plagiarism. Very few highschool students are taught how to mine sources for information that then allows them to form their own thoughts on a subject. In fact, many are dissuaded from doing just that.
We don't spend nearly enough time teaching students how to think, whether that's how to research or how to employ logic.
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The older I get the more I am disgusted with the state of college basketball and football. At this point we may as well call it what it is, paid mercenaries wearing the colors of a University. The average SEC or even small school player has almost nothing in common with the rest of the student body, and even further, is nowhere near the academic level of the average student.
Football players in my classes often came in absurdly late, slept in the front few rows of class, and were curiously absent on test days. It's a joke.
Football players in my classes often came in absurdly late, slept in the front few rows of class, and were curiously absent on test days. It's a joke.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by anc on 4/29/18 at 11:23 am to NewGrad1212
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If they don't improve then you know the system has issues. But the crying in the office part is what concerns me the most.
Definitely. It wasn't a "I want to do better" meeting, I had to turn it into that. She was genuinely upset that she had never made a C in her life and that something had to be wrong with me.
quote:
and were curiously absent on test days.
They have test takers. They go meet with someone and do the test with them. The test taker isn't supposed to do anything but fill in what the player says. But come on.
They also have a tutor to do any and all homework with. Aka the tutor does the homework for them.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by NewGrad1212 on 4/29/18 at 11:30 am to anc
Yea that is what's wrong with the system IMO. From what you describe it seems like she's never been told that.
Good on you for helping her out though. I'd imagine you had to bite your tongue a few times.
Good on you for helping her out though. I'd imagine you had to bite your tongue a few times.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by NewGrad1212 on 4/29/18 at 11:36 am to TupeloTiger
If this is true, frick...
What is root cause?
1. Usa does not have 10 million good paying union jobs in factories and 10 million farm labor jobs for the masses.
2. Society hasn't dealt with 7th and 8th graders who can't read 7th and 8th grade level.
3. PlayStation and cell.phones.
4. I blame nukes. All those non readers could join the army if we just had a shooting war with Korea and China.
1. Usa does not have 10 million good paying union jobs in factories and 10 million farm labor jobs for the masses.
2. Society hasn't dealt with 7th and 8th graders who can't read 7th and 8th grade level.
3. PlayStation and cell.phones.
4. I blame nukes. All those non readers could join the army if we just had a shooting war with Korea and China.
re: Educational Fraud is RampantPosted by Ralph_Wiggum on 4/29/18 at 11:55 am to WONTONGO
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'm a big fan of the German educational system. LINK
ETA: No seriously... I wasn't saying your post was Germans. The link is to an explanation of the German educational system.
Home Schooling
Home schooling is illegal in Germany. The law requiring students to attend public schools or approved private schools has been upheld despite challenges to it.
Great idea. We need to do this in the USA.
Higher Education
There are several varieties of university-level schools. The classical universities, in the tradition of Alexander von Humboldt, provide a broad general education and students usually attend them for up to six years. However, in recent years there have been changes to the curriculum allowing a university student to acquire a Bachelor Degree after 4 years.
We basically do this. The American university system is greatly influenced by this, I think a six year degree would be a good idea for high achieving students who if they wanted a Ph.D. would go directly into a Ph.D. program.
This post was edited on 4/29 at 11:56 am
I was a freshman adjunct professor and the writing is on a six grade level. No grasp of sentence structure or basic grammar.
I see press releases and corporate websites with misspellings, mincorrect grammar and run-on sentences.
I guess basic reading and writing is considered liberal artish and not worth a damn.
I see press releases and corporate websites with misspellings, mincorrect grammar and run-on sentences.
I guess basic reading and writing is considered liberal artish and not worth a damn.
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