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Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:53 pm to BBONDS25
But…you were the one who said it was improper even though it was illegal…
Also, there is nor was there a law that opened the US border.
This is getting embarrassing for you. Are you even reading what you wrote?
Also, there is nor was there a law that opened the US border.
This is getting embarrassing for you. Are you even reading what you wrote?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:53 pm to BertyFot
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It is, and you can’t prove that it’s not, and simply you saying it’s not, does not make you correct.
I’ve asked you to cite the law that you keep saying was broken.
All you cited was proving me correct that we didn’t give illegals due process at times under bush and Obama.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:54 pm to BertyFot
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But…you were the one who said it was improper even though it was illegal…
I used the language the Supreme Court used. Deal with it.
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Also, there is nor was there a law that opened the US border.
Biden ignored and bragged about ignoring immigration laws. Were you ignorant to that fact? Not surprising.
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This is getting embarrassing for you. Are you even reading what you wrote?
You’re in over your head. Of the two of us…one has actually represented illegals in immigration court.
You dumb ignorant frick.
I’d also like to reiterate. You won’t be here in 5 days.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You can get a lot of improper leeway if you engage in fraud
Seems pretty relevant.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:56 pm to BBONDS25
Let me break it down for you.
Garcia = “Person” Under the Law
The Fifth Amendment does not say “citizen” it says person.
That means all individuals on U.S. soil, regardless of immigration status, are entitled to due process protections under the Constitution. This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases, including Zadvydas v. Davis (2001).
2. Garcia Was Granted Legal Protection by a Court
In 2019, a federal immigration judge granted Garcia withholding of removal—a legal status that:
Prohibits deportation to a country where the person faces persecution,
And is based on evidence and legal findings making it a legally binding decision under immigration law.
Deporting Him to El Salvador = Violation of Due Process
Despite that ruling, Garcia was deported to El Salvador anyway, a country he was legally barred from being sent to.
That action bypassed a lawful court order.
The government ignored a judicial process, removing him without lawful authority.
That’s exactly what the Fifth Amendment protects against: being deprived of liberty (his legal right to remain in the U.S.) without due process of law.
What questions do you have?
Garcia = “Person” Under the Law
The Fifth Amendment does not say “citizen” it says person.
That means all individuals on U.S. soil, regardless of immigration status, are entitled to due process protections under the Constitution. This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases, including Zadvydas v. Davis (2001).
2. Garcia Was Granted Legal Protection by a Court
In 2019, a federal immigration judge granted Garcia withholding of removal—a legal status that:
Prohibits deportation to a country where the person faces persecution,
And is based on evidence and legal findings making it a legally binding decision under immigration law.
Deporting Him to El Salvador = Violation of Due Process
Despite that ruling, Garcia was deported to El Salvador anyway, a country he was legally barred from being sent to.
That action bypassed a lawful court order.
The government ignored a judicial process, removing him without lawful authority.
That’s exactly what the Fifth Amendment protects against: being deprived of liberty (his legal right to remain in the U.S.) without due process of law.
What questions do you have?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:57 pm to BertyFot
Is he a citizen of El Salvador?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:58 pm to BertyFot
That’s a lot of words to say “that shitstain is in El Salvador and not coming back.”
You should definitely write another multiple paragraph post about it.
You should definitely write another multiple paragraph post about it.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:59 pm to BertyFot
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That means all individuals on U.S. soil, regardless of immigration status, are entitled to due process protections under the Constitution. This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases, including Zadvydas v. Davis (2001).
He received due process you ignorant idiot. Two separate hearings. Both of which ordered his removal.
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That’s exactly what the Fifth Amendment protects against: being deprived of liberty (his legal right to remain in the U.S.) without due process of law.
You’re confusing procedure with due process.
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What questions do you have?
Where did you go to law school? And why are you so dumb?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:00 pm to Jbird
The point here is that you don’t care about the law. Again, just admit you believe the president should have unilateral authority to do what ever he wants, and then you can get upset when “leftists” call him an authoritarian.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to BertyFot
So can't answer a question?
No wonder you are altered up in here.
No wonder you are altered up in here.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:01 pm to BertyFot
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The point here is that you don’t care about the law. Again, just admit you believe the president should have unilateral authority to do what ever he wants, and then you can get upset when “leftists” call him an authoritarian.
Administrative law and procedural defects. What a joke you are. What are your thoughts on Biden opening the border? Tesla vandalism? BLM riots? You dumb frick.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:02 pm to BertyFot
Guess where hero Garcia is tonight despite your bitching on the internet.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:02 pm to BertyFot
You love gang banging wife beaters.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:02 pm to Jbird
I can answer it, but you’re not committed to understanding, and I don’t have all the time in the world.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:07 pm to BertyFot
Lol too busy!
fricking clown
fricking clown
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:14 pm to BBONDS25
Let me break it down for you because it’s troubling for me to accept that you might be slightly illiterate or intellectually dishonest and lazy…or both, idk.
Yes, prior hearings ordered his removal.
But a later, legally binding court decision prohibited deportation to El Salvador, the specific country he was ultimately sent to.
That’s what made his deportation a violation of due process- not because he never had hearings, but because the outcome of his most recent legal protection was ignored.
Like you’re 5:
Imagine a kid gets in trouble at school and the teacher says, “You have to go home.” That’s the first decision.
But later, the principal says, “Wait, it’s not safe for you to go home right now. You can stay here instead.”
Then, someone ignores what the principal said and sends the kid home anyway—even though they were told not to.
That’s the problem. It’s not that the kid never got in trouble. It’s that the final rule that was supposed to protect him was ignored. That’s not fair, and it breaks the rules.
Again, concerned for your level of literacy, let me break down your other misconception.
Procedure is how the law is carried out (hearings, appeals, etc.).
Due process is the constitutional right to have those procedures followed fairly and completely, and for the outcome of those procedures to be respected.
In Garcia’s case:
He did go through the proper legal process (you just don’t like it)
A judge ruled he could not be sent to El Salvador. That ruling was legally binding. When the government deported him to El Salvador anyway, it ignored the result of due process, not just the procedure itself.
Break it down a bit more:
Imagine you play a game, and there are rules everyone has to follow.
Procedure is like making sure everyone takes turns and plays the game the right way.
Due process means that not only do you follow the steps, but you also listen to the final decision—like when the referee says, “This player wins” or “This player gets to stay.”
In Garcia’s case, the referee (a judge) said, “You can’t send him to El Salvador.”
But then someone (the government under Trump) ignored that and sent him there anyway, even though the game was over and the final call was made.
That’s not just unfair, it breaks the big rule that says you have to respect the result. That’s what due process is all about.
Also, I told you I was a neuroscientist botanist and I know everything.
Yes, prior hearings ordered his removal.
But a later, legally binding court decision prohibited deportation to El Salvador, the specific country he was ultimately sent to.
That’s what made his deportation a violation of due process- not because he never had hearings, but because the outcome of his most recent legal protection was ignored.
Like you’re 5:
Imagine a kid gets in trouble at school and the teacher says, “You have to go home.” That’s the first decision.
But later, the principal says, “Wait, it’s not safe for you to go home right now. You can stay here instead.”
Then, someone ignores what the principal said and sends the kid home anyway—even though they were told not to.
That’s the problem. It’s not that the kid never got in trouble. It’s that the final rule that was supposed to protect him was ignored. That’s not fair, and it breaks the rules.
Again, concerned for your level of literacy, let me break down your other misconception.
Procedure is how the law is carried out (hearings, appeals, etc.).
Due process is the constitutional right to have those procedures followed fairly and completely, and for the outcome of those procedures to be respected.
In Garcia’s case:
He did go through the proper legal process (you just don’t like it)
A judge ruled he could not be sent to El Salvador. That ruling was legally binding. When the government deported him to El Salvador anyway, it ignored the result of due process, not just the procedure itself.
Break it down a bit more:
Imagine you play a game, and there are rules everyone has to follow.
Procedure is like making sure everyone takes turns and plays the game the right way.
Due process means that not only do you follow the steps, but you also listen to the final decision—like when the referee says, “This player wins” or “This player gets to stay.”
In Garcia’s case, the referee (a judge) said, “You can’t send him to El Salvador.”
But then someone (the government under Trump) ignored that and sent him there anyway, even though the game was over and the final call was made.
That’s not just unfair, it breaks the big rule that says you have to respect the result. That’s what due process is all about.
Also, I told you I was a neuroscientist botanist and I know everything.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:18 pm to BertyFot
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Let me break it down for you because it’s troubling for me to accept that you might be slightly illiterate or intellectually dishonest and lazy…or both, idk.
This should be good. A non educated simpleton is going to break down immigration law for me. Can’t wait.
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Yes, prior hearings ordered his removal.
You misspelled “due process”
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But a later, legally binding court decision prohibited deportation to El Salvador, the specific country he was ultimately sent to.
A temporary order was improperly ignored. That is correct. Are you aware of how common this is!? No need to answer. We know.
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That’s what made his deportation a violation of due process- not because he never had hearings, but because the outcome of his most recent legal protection was ignored.
Again. You confuse due process and procedure. No big deal. You just aren’t smart enough to recognize that.
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Again, concerned for your level of literacy, let me break down your other misconception.
I understand procedure. You deal in layman’s terms. Your ignorance is not a me problem.
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Also, I told you I was a neuroscientist botanist and I know everything.
Cool. I once represented an illegal in immigration court. Your plants sound super important though. What was your minor?
Also…your thoughts on Biden’s immigration policy vis a vis following the law??
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:18 pm to BertyFot
Is he a citizen of El Salvador?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 10:21 pm to BBONDS25
Biden did not open the border, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Can you cite a law or something? Also, who was leading BLM protests? I didn’t see many Biden or Obama flags at those? Didn’t hear Biden or Obama stoke violence? I also don’t remember Biden or Obama pardoning anybody. As for the Teslas, not sure who’s leading that either. Is it some imaginary invisible spooky “other side” you’ve been taught to be scared of so you can be coddled by a wanna be strongman? How many Jan. 6rs were pardoned? How many Trump flags were there? I see some differences. Looks like you have an imaginary boogeyman living rent free in your head.
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