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re: DJT comments on the cattle ranchers.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:26 pm to BugAC
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:26 pm to BugAC
No retartd, youre arguing something no one else is fricking arguing.
this is what I posted. You cant accept fact, so you blindly try to find numbers from 5 years ago which have no bearing on the past 12 months you idiot.
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Fertilizer prices are objectively higher than 2024. Youre an idiot who only believes tCult.
this is what I posted. You cant accept fact, so you blindly try to find numbers from 5 years ago which have no bearing on the past 12 months you idiot.
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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9/30/25 - 149.46 9/30/24 - 118.72
Binary thinkers can’t think beyond two data points. It’s why you were a travel agent.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Of course they will copy Trumps tactics. Trump copied theirs.
Say this again to yourself and realize:
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Youre so simple.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:28 pm to BugAC
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The argument was that fertilizer prices (and most inputs) are rising again under Trump which is objectively fact
It's not though.
Derpidy derp.
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Date Value
September 30, 2025 149.46
August 31, 2025 156.29
July 31, 2025 154.53
June 30, 2025 142.98
May 31, 2025 133.20
April 30, 2025 129.25
March 31, 2025 128.40
February 28, 2025 133.47
January 31, 2025 124.29
December 31, 2024 119.61
November 30, 2024 119.72
October 31, 2024 123.48
Most of that increase is after the April tariff announcement, Jethro.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Fertilizer is expensive due to a combination of high natural gas and energy costs, which are essential for production; global supply chain disruptions, such as those caused by geopolitical conflicts, natural disasters, and trade policies; and the limited number of countries with significant raw material reserves, making production dependent on a few key players.
There ya go Alaska Joe.
There ya go Alaska Joe.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:29 pm to dgnx6
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Lower the supply
Whoever is behind it, goes to death camp in my opinion
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:29 pm to Jbird
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Feed costs and sustained drought in areas causing a reduction in grazing.
Its interesting to look at the bigger datasets on this. US beef cattle feed consumption was up something like 15% from 2019. Yet, heard size is down 9% in the same time period.
It really shows how the environmental factors impacted the situation.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:30 pm to Jbird
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Fertilizer is expensive due to a combination of high natural gas and energy costs, which are essential for production; global supply chain disruptions, such as those caused by geopolitical conflicts, natural disasters, and trade policies; and the limited number of countries with significant raw material reserves, making production dependent on a few key players
Nuh uh. MMT. Derp.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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this is what I posted. You cant accept fact, so you blindly try to find numbers from 5 years ago which have no bearing on the past 12 months you idiot.
You stated that Trump is causing fertilizer prices to rise. I show you data that he didn't. And since you weren't educated enough about it to understand why fertilizer cost is rising, i'll help you out.
What is the biggest driver for fertilizer cost? Hint: It's not tariffs
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:30 pm to billjamin
Yeah feed consumption driven by weather factors are a tough one to account for at the start of a cycle.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:31 pm to Jbird
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Fertilizer is expensive due to a combination of high natural gas and energy costs, which are essential for production; global supply chain disruptions, such as those caused by geopolitical conflicts, natural disasters, and trade policies; and the limited number of countries with significant raw material reserves, making production dependent on a few key players.
There ya go Alaska Joe.
Dammit, don't tell him. I was enjoying watching him get nervous.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:31 pm to BugAC
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You stated that Trump is causing fertilizer prices to rise.
His trade policies absolutely.
Do you need me to post for a third time proving it to you?
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Date Value
September 30, 2025 149.46
August 31, 2025 156.29
July 31, 2025 154.53
June 30, 2025 142.98
May 31, 2025 133.20
April 30, 2025 129.25
March 31, 2025 128.40
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:32 pm to BBONDS25
It's not about them holding back, it's about them using the precedence of what is going on now to enact policy that they have never been able to.
It the ideas were bad when the left tired to employ them they should be bad now. Why are so many so fricking loyal to Trump? The man is not always right about everything.
I'd take him over the left any day but that doesn't mean I have to agree with him or support him when he sets price floors, aka socialism, uses tariffs as partisan tool and then seeks to bail out friendly countries by crapping on domestic ranchers.
It the ideas were bad when the left tired to employ them they should be bad now. Why are so many so fricking loyal to Trump? The man is not always right about everything.
I'd take him over the left any day but that doesn't mean I have to agree with him or support him when he sets price floors, aka socialism, uses tariffs as partisan tool and then seeks to bail out friendly countries by crapping on domestic ranchers.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:33 pm to hansenthered1
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I'd take him over the left any day but that doesn't mean I have to agree with him or support him when he sets price floors, aka socialism, uses tariffs as partisan tool and then seeks to bail out friendly countries by crapping on domestic ranchers.
Thats indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders economics.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:35 pm to hansenthered1
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by crapping on domestic ranchers.
This is the part I object to. This is not accurate.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders economics.
You mean like how you want to tax the rich?
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:36 pm to BBONDS25
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You mean like how you want to tax the rich?
Something trumps camp has already proposed, Genius.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:37 pm to Jbird
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Feed costs and sustained drought in areas causing a reduction in grazing.
The herd size is the smallest in 70 years.
Drought is not the reason our herd is 34% less than in the 70s. We have had droughts before and increased our heads of cattle.
We basically are at 1950 levels cattle with twice the population.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Something trumps camp has already proposed, Genius.
the estate tax exemption doubled under the TCJA and was extended by the big beautiful bill you ignorant poor. And that doesn’t change the fact you and Bernie want to tax the rich. You jealous hack.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 3:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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His trade policies absolutely.
So, you are just digging in on being stupid?
Energy, dipshit. ENERGY PRICES.
Literally every source will tell you that energy prices is the largest driver for fertilizer prices.
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Parum: The big drivers are energy costs, mainly because nitrogen fertilizers rely on natural gas and so other countries have had decreased production due to conflict, as well as geopolitical disputes overall. There will just, again, be that uncertainty as you know, the world continues to move around through these geopolitical disruptions.
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Phosphate costs are rising due to a combination of factors including increased demand for fertilizers, geopolitical tensions affecting supply chains, and higher production costs driven by energy prices.
And i was trying to lead you to water, but what event was happening that might impact energy prices in 2024? Oh that's right, an election. And what act did Joe Biden due to falsely bring energy prices down? Raiding the strategic petroleum reserves. And what happens when we stop raiding the oil reserves, as Trump did? Energy prices begin to go back to previous levels. And what is trump doing to lower energy prices? Opening up drilling, reducing bureaucratic red tape, and signing multiple EO's on day 1 restoring America's might on energy.
You silly, silly, little bastard.
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