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Discussion on Teacher Pay
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:26 am
Teacher Pay is becoming big politics in Mississippi. The legislature just passed a $1500 increase (not counting the regular $900 increase) for next year. Some smaller school districts are having to lay off teachers because they can't afford it.
Its an election year in MS and folks are pandering. A Democrat has a legit chance of winning the Governor's mansion, just one term after the Dems ran a truck driver with no political experience that didn't even vote for himself.
Educrats are saying this raise is measly. Its really not that bad. They wanted a $4000 raise and got $1500. The original bill passed was $500. I thought it was a great compromise. The $1500 came with $2 million for private schools for special needs kids - which is a nice gesture but not enough.
Teachers are pissed and are using it to push voting for Democrats. Ive heard otherwise conservative teachers say they are voting Dem in November for both Jim Hood and Jay Hughes (Lt. Governor). Teachers aren't really unionized in MS (there is a union but they only have about 6% membership) but they are getting the message out.
It doesn't help that the Republican running is universally disliked.
Its an election year in MS and folks are pandering. A Democrat has a legit chance of winning the Governor's mansion, just one term after the Dems ran a truck driver with no political experience that didn't even vote for himself.
Educrats are saying this raise is measly. Its really not that bad. They wanted a $4000 raise and got $1500. The original bill passed was $500. I thought it was a great compromise. The $1500 came with $2 million for private schools for special needs kids - which is a nice gesture but not enough.
Teachers are pissed and are using it to push voting for Democrats. Ive heard otherwise conservative teachers say they are voting Dem in November for both Jim Hood and Jay Hughes (Lt. Governor). Teachers aren't really unionized in MS (there is a union but they only have about 6% membership) but they are getting the message out.
It doesn't help that the Republican running is universally disliked.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:27 am to anc
teachers are glorified baby sitters
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:30 am to AuburnTigers
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teachers are glorified baby sitters
My wife is a teacher. She'd agree for the most part.
A popular conservative voice in MS asked yesterday if the problem with teacher pay was that a first grade teacher got paid the same as a advanced math or physics teacher.
Threw out the stat that for every first grade teacher opening, there are 10 applicants, and for every 10 high school math or science openings, there are 7 applicants, creating a massive shortage of qualified teachers.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:32 am to AuburnTigers
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teachers are glorified baby sitters
Its a terrible job in most districts. They ARE babysitters except can't do jack shite to the kids.
Girl I date teaches. after hours she volunteers once a week for an hour with a group of kids helping them with art type stuff.
Last week a parent called the principal to complain about her cancelling too much
said it was obviously a problem and he should replace her (once again, its a volunteer thing) shes cancelled twice this semester. Once for having the flu, the other for her kid having the flu.
Parents are the fricking worst. They don't discipline kids anymore, and don't allow teachers to do anything either.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:32 am to anc
After taxes, retirement, etc, a $1500 pay raise is what, less than $100 a month? No one is going to turn it down but it's not going to fix any of the problems in education.
If they aren't going to pay teachers based upon skill, and instead just do these "everyone gets them" raises, honestly, they would be better off spending the money on improving training, discipline, better materials, better technology, etc.
Poli board notwithstanding, most people feel teachers are underpaid and have to put up with too much crap.
If they aren't going to pay teachers based upon skill, and instead just do these "everyone gets them" raises, honestly, they would be better off spending the money on improving training, discipline, better materials, better technology, etc.
Poli board notwithstanding, most people feel teachers are underpaid and have to put up with too much crap.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:33 am to anc
Honestly, I think that Jim Hood may end up being a good governor. Of course, I know him personally so I am biased. I also know Tater Tot and think he's a prick.
The teachers get annual raises, like you said, but the state employees are getting screwed. I do not recall the last pay raise they received. Some of their salaries are atrocious.
The teachers get annual raises, like you said, but the state employees are getting screwed. I do not recall the last pay raise they received. Some of their salaries are atrocious.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:37 am to anc
My mother and my sister were both teachers, and, from my observation, they worked very hard and did far more than babysit, but there certainly are some duds in the profession.
That said, I think we should make the profession as attractive as possible to outstanding to outstanding professionals.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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most people feel teachers are underpaid and have to put up with too much crap
Some teachers are underpaid. There are truly great teachers that make major impacts on their students lives. Then there are other teachers who are completely worthless and don’t even deserve their job but they are impossible to fire. That’s the problem with the system. You can’t differentiate between great and poor performers.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:41 am to anc
Doesn't lots of money get used up for administration and doesn't make it to the classroom level? And pay should not be distributed equally, it should be distributed by supply and demand. Elementary school teachers getting advanced teaching degrees just to teach first graders and get a bump in pay is laughable.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:44 am to AuburnTigers
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teachers are glorified baby sitters
Because they aren't allowed to educate. They are forced to regurgitate what some bureaucrats have mandated for them.
So yeah, they've been reduced to being babysitters.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:49 am to DallasTiger11
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Some teachers are underpaid. There are truly great teachers that make major impacts on their students lives. Then there are other teachers who are completely worthless and don’t even deserve their job but they are impossible to fire. That’s the problem with the system. You can’t differentiate between great and poor performers.
Completely agree.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:50 am to anc
Until there is a legitimate argument as to why teacher salaries should be approaching Entry level Engineering/Comp Sci/Nursing jobs, I will continue to confirm that teachers are paid for the non-technical skills they possess.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:59 am to anc
If a Teacher makes 42,000 a year (I think this is the starting in Louisiana), that equates to:
178 days of school WITH kids. Lets add in 4-5 more days in which they are doing inservices. Lets add in a week or two in the summer in which they are required to be there.
That's 200 days. 200 out of 261.
200/261 is 76.6%
76% of 52 weeks is 40 (rounded up). That's $1,050 a week per 40 weeks and $26.25 an hour. Why are you bitching about making $26.25 an hour, salaried, when you are coming straight out of college?
178 days of school WITH kids. Lets add in 4-5 more days in which they are doing inservices. Lets add in a week or two in the summer in which they are required to be there.
That's 200 days. 200 out of 261.
200/261 is 76.6%
76% of 52 weeks is 40 (rounded up). That's $1,050 a week per 40 weeks and $26.25 an hour. Why are you bitching about making $26.25 an hour, salaried, when you are coming straight out of college?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:59 am to 50_Tiger
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Until there is a legitimate argument as to why teacher salaries should be approaching Entry level Engineering/Comp Sci/Nursing jobs, I will continue to confirm that teachers are paid for the non-technical skills they possess.
No shite. Why should teachers make more than $26.25 an hour?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:00 am to anc
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Threw out the stat that for every first grade teacher opening, there are 10 applicants, and for every 10 high school math or science openings, there are 7 applicants, creating a massive shortage of qualified teachers.
This doesn’t make sense. If there are MORE applicants then positions, how is that a shortage?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:06 am to Floating Change Up
re read what he said. He is saying there is a shortage of HS math. 1 opening for Elementary has 10 applicants. 10 openings for HS has at TOTAL of 7 applicants. leaving 3 open spots.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:07 am to Floating Change Up
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This doesn’t make sense. If there are MORE applicants then positions, how is that a shortage?
The shortage is in teachers that are actually needed to teach more than neanderthal level subject matter.
Aka Algebra and Earth Science / Chemistry
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:11 am to VermilionTiger
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Why are you bitching about making $26.25 an hour, salaried, when you are coming straight out of college?
This is the root of the debate.
One side calculates the teacher wage based on 40 weeks. Rich makes it sound like teachers are paid a LOT.
However, they don’t calculate the 1) the full hours that a teacher works, and 2) there are 12 more weeks that the teacher actually has to live.
It isn’t accurate to calculate an hourly wage unless you use actual hours.
Yes, teachers picked the profession knowing the drawbacks of the career. However, I am a firm believer that as long as teachers pay stays stagnant, you are not going to get the best and brightest teaching our youth. Eventually, you’ll have School’s run by people that simply can’t excel anywhere else and took the teaching position because the school system is desperate for warm bodies. Right now, the majority of that group is comprised from the hard left.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:12 am to 50_Tiger
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The shortage is in teachers that are actually needed to teach less than neanderthal level subject matter.
Damn... I totally miss read that.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:14 am to Floating Change Up
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It isn’t accurate to calculate an hourly wage unless you use actual hours.
We dont do this in the real world.
I'm a salaried Engineer that has to be available 24/7 around the clock due to my company being global.
I consistently have to have early af conference calls with folks from France and India.
Do I get paid for that? NO.
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