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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:20 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:20 pm to Wolfhound45
Wtf are you talking about
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Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:21 pm to Tiguar
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I’ll say it again: there are no external circumstances that ever justify shooting someone for slapping you and backing up when there are cops everywhere around you.
I can certainly come up with some, but that's really not the point. He very well may be guilty of murder and should go to jail for the rest of his life. The point is that without more context here, we really have no business forming political narratives around this case.
An overzealous and heated security guard shooting someone without justification is a VERY different narrative than an ANTIFA member shooting a Trump supporter in cold blood on that basis.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
He was there ostensibly to provide personal security to a client, a staff member of 9News Denver. He is not there to attempt to disarm a person who is participating in the demonstrations and had seconds before been involved in a heated confrontation. He created a subsequent confrontation by reaching for the mace and when the victim resisted he unlawfully used lethal force in a situation that did not require it.
Is that enough for you?
Is that enough for you?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
I’m not arguing any narrative. I’m arguing whether or not you’re watching a murder in that gif.
For your narrative, there’s a ton of info on the shooter on the main thread.
He is a leftist Bernie bro that posted shite on Facebook about calling trump supporters racists and apparently moonlights as an unlicensed security guard.
For your narrative, there’s a ton of info on the shooter on the main thread.
He is a leftist Bernie bro that posted shite on Facebook about calling trump supporters racists and apparently moonlights as an unlicensed security guard.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:25 pm to td01241
You say that you are former Army and have two tours under your belt and believe you can fire a warning shot in downtown Denver?
That deserves a
That deserves a
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:27 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
He was there ostensibly to provide personal security to a client, a staff member of 9News Denver. He is not there to attempt to disarm a person who is participating in the demonstrations and had seconds before been involved in a heated confrontation. He created a subsequent confrontation by reaching for the mace and when the victim resisted he unlawfully used lethal force in a situation that did not require it.
Is that enough for you?
Then he's guilty of murder, open and shut. But we're not talking about this because some random dude murdered another random dude in Denver. We're talking about this because many (not saying you or anyone in particular) are framing this as a case of liberals hunting down and killing Trump supporters. That's what is up in the air.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:30 pm to Tiguar
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We actually don’t know that. We do know he wouldn’t have got shot in the face if he didn’t get shot in the face
Truer words may have never been spoken.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
He was not hunting per se. He was fantasizing (in a very macabre way). And the reality of what he did came crashing down when the victim crumpled to the ground. The look of a abject terror on his face when the police surrounded him told the tale. He was not a hardened Antifa like the individual who did stalk his victim in Portland. But he is going to prison for life.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:47 pm to Tiguar
The GIF posted appears to have some frames removed.
However, the third frame you posted shows all that is needed to be shown, as you can clearly see that at the point that the pepper spray was deployed the shooters weapon has ALREADY been fired. You can see the casing has been ejected, the slide has been pushed back, and even the smoke from the chamber. At this point the bullet has been fired but has not exited the barrel. This frame shows this man’s literal last moment standing.
RIP to the victim.
However, the third frame you posted shows all that is needed to be shown, as you can clearly see that at the point that the pepper spray was deployed the shooters weapon has ALREADY been fired. You can see the casing has been ejected, the slide has been pushed back, and even the smoke from the chamber. At this point the bullet has been fired but has not exited the barrel. This frame shows this man’s literal last moment standing.
RIP to the victim.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:56 pm to Wolfhound45
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The “security guard” walked up to the victim seconds after the conclusion of the initial incident and (apparently) tried to take his mace from him. The victim resisted this attempt and (apparently) slapped him at that point. The assailant drew his weapon and shot him.
Does this video really help prove murder by soy bitch? Biker bro was aggressor in previous altercation. Slapped the bitch, maced him, and then got shot.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:59 pm to RockinDood
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However, the third frame you posted shows all that is needed to be shown, as you can clearly see that at the point that the pepper spray was deployed the shooters weapon has ALREADY been fired
Yea this is wrong. Watch the video. Mace came before the shot.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:02 pm to nerd guy
He slapped him because the security guard was reaching for his mace.
The shooting took place five seconds after the first incident. Why was there even a confrontation between two random individuals who did not even know each other? Because the “security guard” tried to disarm him which was not his responsibility.
There was no reason for lethal force. None.
The shooting took place five seconds after the first incident. Why was there even a confrontation between two random individuals who did not even know each other? Because the “security guard” tried to disarm him which was not his responsibility.
There was no reason for lethal force. None.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:03 pm to nerd guy
quote:He was reaching for his weapon while the victim has his hands at his side.
Mace came before the shot.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:15 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
slapped him because the security guard was reaching for his mace.
Can you link this video? I haven't seen it.
quote:
There was no reason for lethal force. None.
This will certainly be up for debate.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:18 pm to nerd guy
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Mace came before the shot.
And? You can't shoot someone in the head for spraying mace at you. The mace didn't even make it to the shooter. If it had do you really think he could have made that head shot?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:36 pm to Wolfhound45
Can someone explain to me who the guy is in the black guns matter shirt is and why is is so irate with the victim?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:38 pm to Homesick Tiger
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You can't shoot someone in the head for spraying mace at you
Is this opinion or fact?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:07 pm to nerd guy
Here are the stills. The assailant is reaching for his weapon after the initial slapping incident. The victim has his hands at his side. No mace has been deployed. The assailant has already chosen to escalate to a lethal force option. In the third photo the weapon has already discharged.
End of thread.
End of thread.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:17 pm to nerd guy
Nah Colonel Sanders, yer wrong.
Second still shows the shooter drawing his weapon. Victim has hands at his side. Shooter has decided to deploy lethal force BEFORE the threat of mace was presented. So, if anything, the mace was deployed in defense against the gun.
Second still shows the shooter drawing his weapon. Victim has hands at his side. Shooter has decided to deploy lethal force BEFORE the threat of mace was presented. So, if anything, the mace was deployed in defense against the gun.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:23 pm to RockinDood
Correct. Sequence of events is pretty much settled now. “Security guard” (no license or bond - he is in a heap of trouble) attempts to disarm the victim of his mace. The victim resists with a slap to the “security guard.” Assailant immediately transitions to lethal force. Open and shut of unjustified use of lethal force. Murder. Just depends upon what degree they will prosecute.
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