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re: Dennis Prager makes a great point: Why Dems cheated
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:45 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:45 pm to Ace Midnight
But the difference there is demonstrable proof of low level fraud in every election. As in people get convicted and fined or put in jail level proof
I can point to people who suffered legal repercussions for their involvement in voter fraud in isolated incidents from every national election from 1998 through 2018 (and I’ll be honest, that’s just because that’s only as far back as I looked back when I first bothered to do so a couple years ago). So it’s perfectly consistent to claim the evidence justifies a belief that voter fraud exists, but that no such evidence supports the claim that a presidential election was stolen.
I can point to people who suffered legal repercussions for their involvement in voter fraud in isolated incidents from every national election from 1998 through 2018 (and I’ll be honest, that’s just because that’s only as far back as I looked back when I first bothered to do so a couple years ago). So it’s perfectly consistent to claim the evidence justifies a belief that voter fraud exists, but that no such evidence supports the claim that a presidential election was stolen.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:56 pm to burger bearcat
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All we were asking for was a forensic audit of the machines and the ballots.
Many attempts were made to present allegations that would justify such a thing and all were either found to be unsubstantiated or lacking in significance to justify consideration of such a fantastic claim.
A major issue here is an understanding of the scales in question. For example, reports of ballot observers noting irregularities (the vast majority of which were unfounded and valid explanations provided) are not of the scale or significance to justify multiple statewide forensic investigations into a potentially stolen presidential election.
The most important thing for your to grasp is the following: If the claims you believe constitute a reason to conduct such an extensive national investigation actually did meet that criteria, then every two years we would be conducting such investigations. The ONLY reason we’re talking about it in 2020 are because of the storm of circumstance and political upheaval specific to this cycle. There is just as much evidence that John Kerry had the 2004 election stolen from him as there is that Trump had the 2020 election stolen. The difference is ONLY in your perception of events, not the reality.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:57 pm to burger bearcat
You're as crazy as BoarEd gtfo
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Nothing of the sort has been produced.
That's absolute nonsense.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:03 pm to burger bearcat
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Well there's a mountain of evidence as well.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But anything remotely on the scale and magnitude required to even potentially tip the results? Nothing of the sort has been produced.
They changed the voting laws right before the election to allow more cheating you ignoramus
Thousands of ballots without addresses, documented thousands of votes flipped by dominion software tampering(where they were actually able to catch it anyway), and thousands of votes counted with no post date, unsolicited ballots sent out to who knows where, I can keep going. You are a fool if you think none of this makes a difference. It very well could have flipped the election with massive fraud in just a few key cities in swing states.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We need to be focused on changing voting laws in this country not fantasizing about illegal fraud to cope with the reality that the democrats gamed the system and won.
Well which is it?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:15 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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They changed the voting laws right before the election to allow more cheating you ignoramus
Well, that was fraud. But it was not illegal fraud.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
About half of what you're clinging to is incorrect. You won't even acknowledge the existence of evidence, of which there is plenty.
No mention of living, breathing evidence in the form of humans with first hand knowledge & testimony by seasoned, credible election personnel. IGNORED
No mention of living, breathing evidence in the form of humans with first hand knowledge & testimony by seasoned, credible election personnel. IGNORED
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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Less than 15k votes in GA, 90k in PA, 160k in MI and 25k in WI flips the election.
Similar numbers would have flipped 2016 election. Trump alleged fraud preemptively then too.
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Now, can I say definitively that the election was "rigged"? No. But no comprehensive effort has been put into even looking at the claims
He set up the Election Integrity Commission headed by Pence and Kobach after he won. They found nothing widespread or pervasive and disbanded with a whimper.
Have you entertained the idea Trump alleges fraud before every election because his ego can’t stomach a legitimate loss? Does that seem more likely than a multi-state, widespread, coordinated conspiracy to rig the election with 500 or so individual co-conspirators?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:29 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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They changed the voting laws right before the election to allow more cheating you ignoramus
A Republican state congress changed the voting laws to allow more widespread mail in voting. That’s not the same thing.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:32 pm to 2020_reVISION
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No mention of living, breathing evidence in the form of humans with first hand knowledge & testimony by seasoned, credible election personnel. IGNORED
Not ignored, just largely found to be not credible, unsubstantiated or inconsequential with respect to claims of fraud on the scale to flip any state or national result.
Again, we don’t investigate elections on the scale you’re asking for just because you don’t like the way something looks or sounds or smells. Using your criteria, every election since at least 1998 should have been investigated just as thoroughly.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
This morning:
Roger: lots of people talk about things they don’t know much about.
This evening:
Roger: Let me hold forth on election law.
Roger: lots of people talk about things they don’t know much about.
This evening:
Roger: Let me hold forth on election law.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:34 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Thousands of ballots without addresses, documented thousands of votes flipped by dominion software tampering(where they were actually able to catch it anyway), and thousands of votes counted with no post date, unsolicited ballots sent out to who knows where, I can keep going. You are a fool if you think none of this makes a difference. It very well could have flipped the election with massive fraud in just a few key cities in swing states.
Other than unsolicited ballots (which was a legal virtually everywhere it was demonstrably utilized) everything you listed is either patently false and has been thoroughly debunked or has seen a rational and demonstrable explanation provided for it. All of this information has been posted repeatedly on this board by both myself and many others.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:34 pm to Auburn1968
DEBUNKED
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Fact check: Claim of Georgia vote spike for Biden after pipe burst at counting site is false
The claim: A large 'dump of Biden votes' happened while election officials in Georgia were evacuated during a pipe break
The viral graph highlights the alleged spike in red, which purportedly shows Biden at 225,196 votes and President Donald Trump at 99,036 votes. Next to it reads a timestamp of Nov. 4.
A pipe burst did take place at a ballot processing site at State Farm Arena; however, no ballots were damaged, according to election officials. The broken water pipe did cause a delay in Fulton County's ability to process thousands of absentee-by-mail votes, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
The Fulton County Elections office also took to Twitter to issue a clarification on the incident.
"Around 6 am on Nov 3, a pipe burst in the room at State Farm Arena where absentee ballots were processed. Arena staff swiftly completed repairs. Work resumed in approx 2 hours," the tweet reads, noting that "no ballots or equipment were damaged" during the incident.
The claim that "totes full of ballots" were dumped while election officials stopped counting has also been previously debunked by USA TODAY and is not related to the earlier pipe incident.
The pipe burst and the events on the surveillance video occurred 17 hours apart and did not happen on the same night, local news outlet 11 Alive reported, noting that Biden was already leading in Fulton County before the absentee ballots were counted and he did not take the lead in Georgia until days later.
USA Today
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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A Republican state congress changed the voting laws to allow more widespread mail in voting
Secretary of State of Pennsylvania changed it 2 days before the election. Try again.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:37 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
To be honest, I’ve done it so many goddamn times and had it ignored that I’ve just stopped posting the links.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:38 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
That’s a bunch of sophistic nonsense.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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everything you listed is either patently false and has been thoroughly debunked or has seen a rational and demonstrable explanation provided for it. All of this information has been posted repeatedly on this board by both myself and many others.
So they gave reason for the thousands of ballots in Wisconsin without an address or the thousands of ballots counted in Pennsylvania after the election due to the no post mark dating? Can’t wait to hear that. They counted that shite, that’s not debunking it by saying they let it slide, so oh well. That’s what we call cheating. Any way you slice it and you can keep your head up your arse all you want but that doesn’t mean they didn’t do everything in their power to steal that shite.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:40 pm to Auburn1968
These pictures were previously posted, previously debunked:
Debunked.
reuters
Debunked.
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Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations.
These vote spikes did occur, but they also included Trump votes, accounted for largely left-leaning urban counties, and one state experienced a clerical error.
The posts (here , here , here , here) appear to originate from a tweet (here) by Nick Adams, who describes himself as a bestselling author endorsed by President Trump (twitter.com/NickAdamsinUSA).
A spokesman for data analysis website FiveThirtyEight ( fivethirtyeight.com/ ) told Reuters via email that the jumps in Michigan and Wisconsin were due to counties releasing large batches of results all at once and that the votes were not just for Biden. One large jump of almost 140,000 ballots in Michigan was due to a clerical error that has since been resolved. In Pennsylvania both the Trump and Biden campaign gained around 1 million votes on the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4.
Reuters has previously debunked claims that vote spikes prove Democrats are trying to steal the election in Wisconsin and Michigan ( here ).
The vote spikes did occur, but they were not only Biden votes and can be explained by pro-Biden county vote dumps and a clerical error. The timings of when ballots were received in Michigan and Pennsylvania are not accurate.
reuters
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 10:42 pm
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