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Denmark is lifting all restrictions. A behavioral scientist explains how they got there.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:04 am
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:04 am
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Today, Denmark lifted all restrictions & COVID-19 is no longer deemed a "societal threat". I led the country's largest behavioral covid-project (@HopeProject_dk) & advised the Danish gov. Here are my thoughts on how DK got here, what can be learned & what lies ahead. ?? (1/14)
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In the HOPE-project ("How Democracies Cope With COVID-19", hope-project.dk), we have conducted over 400,000 interviews on covid-related behaviors and attitudes since March '20 in Denmark and 7 other countries. These data form the evidence-base for this thread. (2/14)
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The basis for an open society is vaccinations. 86 % of all invited (from 12 years and up) have received 1+ dose. 96 % of everyone above 50 are fully vaccinated. Throughout the pandemic DK has had higher acceptance than many comparable countries. No mandates needed. (3/14)
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The best predictor in DK - and elsewhere - of vaccine acceptance is trust in the authorities' management of the pandemic: bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/6/e…. This trust has been incredibly high and completely stable in DK. (4/14)
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DK is culturally a high-trust country. But so is Sweden & here trust has been lower. What authorities do during the pandemic matters too. E.g., if communication is transparent it will uphold trust, even if the message is unpleasant: twitter.com/M_B_Petersen/s…. (5/14)
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In addition to transparency, our research shows that 3 factors are key: (1) Create a collective project; (2) avoid polarization; and (3) buffer the burden of restrictions. See, e.g., doi.org/10.1080/014023… & doi.org/10.1177/095679…. Here, DK has done particularly well. (6/14)
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Stopping infections is a form of collective action. When the risk of a disease is highly skewed (as with covid), people need to do it for others. Here, leadership is key. The Danish gov formulated distancing as a *moral* project, which gained high public support. (7/14)
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A moral project can backfire. It can lead to shaming and conflict. There has been discussions of this in DK. But in general shaming in DK is relatively low. Most simply followed the advice of the authorities and didn't take it upon themselves to police others. (8/14)
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Support decreases over time. How fast depends on polarization. Polarization was avoided because the Danish opposition prioritized epidemic control over electoral gains. When the 2nd wave hit this led to a 2nd rally-around-the flag effect, which seems unique to DK. (9/14)
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The burden of lockdowns itself fuels opposition: doi.org/10.1177/095679…. In DK, high compliance & support has made restrictions softer and made them seem meaningful, lowering the burden. As consequence, Danes have suffered less during the pandemic. (10/14)
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From this, Danes became active co-players in the epidemic, allowing authorities to try out new tools (e.g., mass testing & corona passports). These got wide public support and were seen not as control tools but as tools for protecting each other & returning to normality. (11/14)
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In sum, citizens' trust is key. Still, my way into pandemic research was an essay, arguing that *authorities* need to trust citizens too: twitter.com/M_B_Petersen/s…. In the end, I think the positive dynamics from this mutual trust is responsible for where DK is today. (12/14)
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Will the lifting of restrictions go well? Who knows (as even the DK gov agrees). New variants may emerge & restrictions reappear. Yet, from a behavioral perspective, I am optimistic about the future. Even with a 3rd wave, mutual trust should be high enough to pull thru. (13/14)
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Finally: A pandemic is a severe crisis for any society. DK has seen protests, heated debates and mistaken decisions. Many Twitter threads can be written about what went wrong. So, if things go well in a crisis, it is despite all the things that will inevitably go wrong. (14/14)
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Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:17 am to ell_13
TL;DR version:
Denmark has a very high vaccination rate. But that’s because the public trust their leaders and just as importantly, the authorities trusted the people. They told them the truth even if it wasn’t pleasant. They trusted them to do what was right for themselves and did NOT shame those who didn’t follow the advice of the leader. There were NO mandates. Jordan Peterson’s response to this thread: “Mandating vaccines is NOT going to increase trust. Quite the contrary. It is instead an admission that trust has already been violated and an attempt to redress that by force.”
Denmark has a very high vaccination rate. But that’s because the public trust their leaders and just as importantly, the authorities trusted the people. They told them the truth even if it wasn’t pleasant. They trusted them to do what was right for themselves and did NOT shame those who didn’t follow the advice of the leader. There were NO mandates. Jordan Peterson’s response to this thread: “Mandating vaccines is NOT going to increase trust. Quite the contrary. It is instead an admission that trust has already been violated and an attempt to redress that by force.”
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 5:18 am
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:21 am to ell_13
There is now a deep mistrust of the US government and the media among the American people.
And that mistrust has been well earned.
When your government and media constantly lie to you everyday, without accountability nor consequence, when the government spies on and records everything you say, type, write, when the population is constantly threatened and gaslighted, when the race, religion, culture of people are routinely exploited for political power...
You end up with a government that is not trusted by its people to the point that it’s leaders must live and work behind walls and fences with armed guards and a military presence. And you end up with a broken society.
Is the damage inflicted on the US by its government participants too far gone? Is America beyond recovery?
We will see.
And that mistrust has been well earned.
When your government and media constantly lie to you everyday, without accountability nor consequence, when the government spies on and records everything you say, type, write, when the population is constantly threatened and gaslighted, when the race, religion, culture of people are routinely exploited for political power...
You end up with a government that is not trusted by its people to the point that it’s leaders must live and work behind walls and fences with armed guards and a military presence. And you end up with a broken society.
Is the damage inflicted on the US by its government participants too far gone? Is America beyond recovery?
We will see.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:24 am to ell_13
What’s happening in the US is a response from this weekend where tens of millions of American football fans across 50 states said “frick Yo Covid” and lived their lives.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:24 am to LuckyTiger
It’s reasonable to live restriction free regardless of vax rate with such a relatively mild disease (99.7% survival rate).
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:27 am to Vastmind
I agree. But the point is the Denmark gov is honest, or at least perceived to be so. And they follow through. When they say they will remove restrictions under X circumstances, they do it. When they ask the public to take these precautions, they ask and don’t force and trust them to decide for themselves.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:39 am to ell_13
Their main political parties have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with regard to backing public health measures, de-politicizing the issue as much as possible, even as public health guidance changed over the course of the pandemic. It gives the public confidence in the policies. Obviously, that hasn't happened here.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:59 am to ell_13
Where are all our retard leftist that want to identically mimic Denmark without noting the huge differences in countries
Posted on 9/10/21 at 7:58 am to ell_13
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They told them the truth even if it wasn’t pleasant. They trusted them to do what was right for themselves and did NOT shame those who didn’t follow the advice of the leader.
Their leaders didn't fund the virus. Ours did. Big difference, though I throw up a bit in my mouth to think of Fauci as a leader/
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:48 am to ell_13
tl Dr version
trump lied.
often.
mocking masks.
divisive.
the opposite of denmark
trump lied.
often.
mocking masks.
divisive.
the opposite of denmark
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:50 am to CelticDog
MelticTool
tl retarded
tl retarded
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:51 am to CelticDog
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CelticDog
You honestly don't consider what Biden is proposing is divisive?
And remember when Kamala Harris said she wasn't taking no vaccine? I remember
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:51 am to ell_13
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the authorities trusted the people. They told them the truth even if it wasn’t pleasant
Ye, don't hold your breathe on getting that here with the MSM.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:52 am to CelticDog
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CelticDog
Are you currently wearing a mask?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:53 am to CelticDog
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trump lied.
often.
You people are seriously the fricking worst. Nothing but projection about shite the morons you idiots voted in actually do.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:54 am to ell_13
i am assuming they are also far healthier than the US. just do some people watching and you'll see why we are behind the 8 ball.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:55 am to ell_13
If I was told I had one hour to grab essentials and get on a one way flight to Denmark where I’d be granted citizenship, but could never return to the US I’d be fricking gone.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:58 am to TigerDoc
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Obviously, that hasn't happened here.
Yes and 100 percent your side's fault.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 9:58 am to ell_13
Aren't Denmark citizens used to relying upon and trusting their government because they rely on them for many things?
One of the highest taxed populations?
Never really took a deep dive look into their economy and politics.
One of the highest taxed populations?
Never really took a deep dive look into their economy and politics.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:06 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Aren't Denmark citizens used to relying upon and trusting their government because they rely on them for many things?
One of the highest taxed populations?
Never really took a deep dive look into their economy and politics.
As I understand, they are basically a Northern European version of an OPEC type state (with a populace of course culturally Northern European versus Arab). I have no doubt it's a lovely pleasant place to live, as you are basically set pat and comfy for life, but with really nothing more to ever hope or strive for beyond that pre-determined set pat lifestyle.
ETA, Or maybe I'm confusing it with Norway.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 10:12 am
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