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Democrats unveil police reform bill

Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:55 am
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:55 am
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Here’s some of what congressional Democrats’ bill would do, according to summaries obtained by NBC News and the Associated Press:

Reform “qualified immunity” for officers, making it easier for people whose constitutional rights were violated to recover damages

Change the federal standard of criminal police behavior from “willful” to acting “knowingly or with reckless disregard,” to address the difficulty of prosecuting officers

Start a federal registry of police misconduct and require states to report use of force to the U.S. Justice Department

Ban police use of chokeholds and carotid holds, and condition funding for state and local departments on barring the practices

Stop the use of “no-knock” search warrants in drug cases in the U.S., while also making state and local money contingent on stopping use of the warrants

Give the Justice Department subpoena power to carry out “pattern and practice” investigations into police department conduct

Provide state attorneys general with grants to carry out pattern and practice probes and create a process for independent investigations into uses of force

Require training on racial bias and implicit bias at the federal level, and condition state and local funding on offering training

Curb transfers of military-grade weapons to state and local police

Classify lynching as a federal hate crime
Posted by Champs
Geaux Tigers
Member since Feb 2008
11697 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:56 am to
how about their plan that got the systematic racism kicked off by having a community with no daddies
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:57 am to
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Classify lynching as a federal hate crime


Who is has been lynched? Is this even a thing?
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7493 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:58 am to
Sounds like a precursor to the establishment of a new branch of the military called the Federal Police Force. Lovely
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:58 am to
federal control, always the goal
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94808 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:59 am to
Only people in danger of being lynched in this whole mess are officers because the state didn’t charge them fast enough for the race baiters.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:00 am to
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Stop the use of “no-knock” search warrants in drug cases in the U.S., while also making state and local money contingent on stopping use of the warrants




Can we stop them in all cases? Why just drugs?

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Classify lynching as a federal hate crime


I mean...support, I guess? Is this really a problem?
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7832 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:00 am to
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Here’s some of what congressional Democrats’ bill would do, according to summaries obtained by NBC News and the Associated Press:

Reform “qualified immunity” for officers, making it easier for people whose constitutional rights were violated to recover damages

yes

Change the federal standard of criminal police behavior from “willful” to acting “knowingly or with reckless disregard,” to address the difficulty of prosecuting officers

yes

Start a federal registry of police misconduct and require states to report use of force to the U.S. Justice Department

no

Ban police use of choke holds and carotid holds, and condition funding for state and local departments on barring the practices

On the fence. It is banned in a lot of places already.

Stop the use of “no-knock” search warrants in drug cases in the U.S., while also making state and local money contingent on stopping use of the warrants

yes

Give the Justice Department subpoena power to carry out “pattern and practice” investigations into police department conduct

waste of time and money

Provide state attorneys general with grants to carry out pattern and practice probes and create a process for independent investigations into uses of force

waste of time and money

Require training on racial bias and implicit bias at the federal level, and condition state and local funding on offering training

waste of time and money

Curb transfers of military-grade weapons to state and local police

Absolutely fricking not.

Classify lynching as a federal hate crime

Relevancy? fricking pandering.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:02 am to
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Classify lynching as a federal hate crime


Otherwise known as "Hey, look how much we care."
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:02 am to
A lot of these sound like good ideas and will correct problems created by the federal government.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14477 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:03 am to
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Reform “qualified immunity” for officers, making it easier for people whose constitutional rights were violated to recover damages

Change the federal standard of criminal police behavior from “willful” to acting “knowingly or with reckless disregard,” to address the difficulty of prosecuting officers


Ok


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Start a federal registry of police misconduct and require states to report use of force to the U.S. Justice Department


This more than anything. We need better data. And this should be followed up with audits of the data the locals do provide. I would be OK with providing the locals some funding for better IT systems but that federal funding should be affected if locals data is terrible.

This should not only be for use of force, but crime data in general.

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Ban police use of chokeholds and carotid holds, and condition funding for state and local departments on barring the practices


OK with the idea, but it needs to be local. Are they any states where this is allowed?

Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:03 am to
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Classify lynching as a federal hate crime


Why are they so hung up on this?

This is not an issue, yet they treat it as though it’s an every day thing.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146493 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:04 am to
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Democrats in both chambers introduced sweeping reforms on Monday designed to combat racial disparities in the criminal justice system — the party’s much awaited legislative response to recent police violence against African Americans that's sparked mass protests across the country and beyond.

Crafted by leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus, the Justice in Policing Act aims to rein in the use of excessive force by law enforcers, particularly the violence targeting blacks and other minorities, who die disproportionately at the hands of police.

The package — the most aggressive crack down on law enforcement to arrive in decades — would establish a federal ban on chokeholds, eliminate the legal shield protecting police from lawsuits, mandate the use of body cameras nationwide, ban military-style weapons for police and create a national database disclosing the names of officers with patterns of abuse.

It also includes a bill passed by the House earlier this year that would make lynching a federal hate crime.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and other Democrats rolled out the legislation Monday morning, immediately after they held a moment of silence and took a knee in the Capitol Visitors Center for 8 minutes and 46 seconds — the exact time that a white Minneapolis police officer knelt on the neck of a handcuffed African American man, George Floyd, before he died.

Democratic leaders framed the reforms as a crucial and long-overdue remedy to racial injustices in law enforcement, which they described as a systemic plague rooted in hundreds of years of slavery, bigotry and cultural bias.

“When George Floyd called out for his mother, when he was subjected to that knee in the neck, it was just a continuation of some horror that has existed in our country for a very long time,” said Pelosi, flanked by other Democratic leaders and Black Caucus members.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5289 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:04 am to
If a white person lynches a black person, no way it won't be ruled a hate crime right? Is it the federal classification? Is there any chance a lynching would result in anything other than the maximum penalty possible?
Posted by thedentist45
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2008
557 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:06 am to
That's neat but the mob they have created does not want reform. They want NO police. Also, they want a complete different form of govt than we have here. I guess it would take Biden getting elected and the progressive movement to continue to say "not good enough" for Dem leaders to realize they can't control what they started.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66997 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:06 am to
Some decent nuggets in that bill which will assuredly have some poison pills in it that will force the GOP to vote against it so dems can campaign against them saying republicans oppose all the good ideas in there.
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:07 am to
Don’t mind most. The lynching thing is just politics. If you Lynch someone, it’s going to get a murder charge anyway. I’d presume this just complicates things for prosecutors. Moreover, what if the lynching happens racial within bounds, is it still a “hate crime”?
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 11:08 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57128 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:09 am to
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Classify lynching as a federal hate crime


Why are they so hung up on this?



ISWYDT, but didn't realize lynching was a problem in this country.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101256 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:10 am to
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Reform “qualified immunity” for officers, making it easier for people whose constitutional rights were violated to recover damages

yes


People have no clue as to the civil litigation can of worms you would be opening up with this, and the trail of unintended consequences that would come with it.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21677 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:10 am to
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fjlee90



Not much to disagree with there. I don’t want federal involvement in local law enforcement. The FBI is way dirtier than my locals, and it’s not even close.
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