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Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:43 pm
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:45 pm to DelU249
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:51 pm to upgrayedd
I've never even had the thought pop into my head, serious or not, that I am better than someone because they voted for a specific candidate...not even once
that's pretty nuts.
that's pretty nuts.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:54 pm to DelU249
That's how much these people invest themselves in their brand of politics. I can honestly say that I've also not thought that I was superior to others because I voted a certain way. I thought I made the correct decision and they didn't but I never got a sense of superiority.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:01 pm to DelU249
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this going away soon? i don’t know if my characterization represents the consensus. I don’t doubt it’s a strategy being employed though
As always, I agree that certain issues could have been handled better when DEMs had a majority. And the best defense for DEM would be to focus on tackling issues in lieu of ID politics.
That being said, the bigger problem you are overqualified overlooking is how this will effect the country as a whole.
Do you really not want people to be concerned about real acts of racism. Real acts of rape. Real acts of fraud that hurt millions of Americans. Are you go honestly not concerned.
I'm not saying the accusations you mentioned are real. I'm saying that if evil was committed people would ignore just to get back at the party. Usually at expense of themselves.
What happens to one group you don't like could easily happen to you. The political pendulum swings both ways. All it takes is for a popular DEM candidate with less baggage that Clinton vs an establishment GOP and its over.
That's my BIPARTISAN answer
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:08 pm to DelU249
The Democrat Party should rename themselves The Acme Party with Wile E. Coyote replacing the donkey.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:09 pm to volod
quote:With constant statements of calling every single Republican candidate the most racist, vile, woman-hating, homophobic person in the history of humanity, you actually get the "boy who cried wolf" response.
That being said, the bigger problem you are overqualified overlooking is how this will effect the country as a whole.
Hell, Romney was Satan incarnate.
McCain was going to push old women off of cliffs (or was that Romney?).
GWB was going to nuke the world.
The Democrats have been screaming these platitudes every time a Republican was on TV.
They are to blame for the lack of response at this point.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:27 pm to DelU249
All they know and understand is identity politics. Actual policy discussion is boring to them. They attempt to guilt potential Republican voters by saying they are racist if they vote for Trump, for example. They are obsessed with identity politics at a very unhealthy level. They associate their perception of the negative aspects of a candidate to who you are as a person.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:47 pm to volod
quote:not sure what you pin this on, but I do think this is a consequence of identity politics and the political strategy i'm talking about now. fake hate crimes, rape hoaxes, etc.
Do you really not want people to be concerned about real acts of racism. Real acts of rape. Real acts of fraud that hurt millions of Americans. Are you go honestly not concerned.
quote:that appears to be the lesson that the democrats are learning.
What happens to one group you don't like could easily happen to you.
quote:it's not about ideology winning, it's about slimy tactics losing. I wasn't a fan of the john Kerry being endorsed by Osama bin laden thing either. the comey thing may rub me the wrong way but that only happened because she fricked up and the Obama admin wanted to give her a pass with plausible deniability. but again, piece of shite comey may be, even if he wanted to do the right thing he was put in a position where that was impossible.
All it takes is for a popular DEM candidate with less baggage that Clinton vs an establishment GOP and its over
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:53 pm to Scruffy
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With constant statements of calling every single Republican candidate the most racist, vile, woman-hating, homophobic person in the history of humanity, you actually get the "boy who cried wolf" response.
yeah, I mean anyone who rationalizes this ridiculous behavior is not someone you can have an honest discussion with.
bush rigged the election
bush is a Nazi
bush is a draft dodger
trump rigged the election
trump is a Nazi
trump is a draft dodger
kind of gets boring
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:55 pm to Chimlim
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All they know and understand is identity politics. Actual policy discussion is boring to them. They attempt to guilt potential Republican voters by saying they are racist if they vote for Trump, for example. They are obsessed with identity politics at a very unhealthy level. They associate their perception of the negative aspects of a candidate to who you are as a person.
You do realize that Republicans employ identity politics in overwhelming fashion too, right? What do you think Roy Moore is doing now? His campaign is focused almost exclusively on appealing to specific social groups. He's even refusing to attend any sort of debate because he's afraid it will harm his candidacy. It's the epitome of identity politics.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:57 pm to cahoots
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You do realize that Republicans employ identity politics in overwhelming fashion too, right? What do you think Roy Moore is doing now? His campaign is focused almost exclusively on appealing to specific social groups. He's even refusing to attend any sort of debate because he's afraid it will harm his candidacy. It's the epitome of identity politics.
Uh oh the air done went out of the balloon
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:58 pm to upgrayedd
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but I never got a sense of superiority.
who does? I've thought that democrats are pieces of shite, and maybe that's close and I've made fun of pretty much everyone in existence...but at the end of the day i don't think i'm better than them if did have thoughts like that the distinction certainly wouldn't be drawn on who voted for who
that's fricking deranged
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:59 pm to cahoots
And to add, Trump is an identity politics candidate too. It's perplexing how you can critique the left wing use of identity politics and somehow overlook how heavily the right is relying upon the same style of politics right now
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:00 pm to DelU249
I don't see why any politician would even attempt to campaign on morals when politicians are some of the most amoral people alive.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:03 pm to cahoots
Trump fights back against the BS with his own BS. Crudely, but effectively.
Appeals to common sense, not racial division.
Example - Sending mexicans back is not racist. It is following the law.
Appeals to common sense, not racial division.
Example - Sending mexicans back is not racist. It is following the law.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:04 pm to cahoots
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Trump is an identity politics candidate too. It's perplexing how you can critique the left wing use of identity politics and somehow overlook how heavily the right is relying upon the same style of politics right now
Its the ol right wing myopia, Trumps pandering to Christians is high theater.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:05 pm to cahoots
quote:i'm not familiar with him or his campaign outside of the accusations.
You do realize that Republicans employ identity politics in overwhelming fashion too, right?
generally speaking, it's lopsided and way more explicit. i don't think republicans are above dirty politics at all...just mostly seems directed at trump anyway
but regardless, roy moore isn't saying "vote for me or you're a shitty human being"
the entire media (can't speak for doug jones) is saying...if you vote for roy moore, you're a sick fricking individual...it's just true. it's not about blaming one side over the other. i think things are trending positively the more this tactic fails. it's more like me taking the temperature and asking
have you had enough yet?
the rape hysteria, backfired
the moralizing and virtue signaling, backfired
at what point do we hit the reset button?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:07 pm to DelU249
For years Democrats have no made issues about morality and it has trained them to not worry about such things. They live their lives however they want to and don't worry about their base caring about their personal lives (just look at Bill Clinton). Republicans are the morons (as they think) that want to set the bar extra high for themselves so let them hit their heads on it.
Now, the left has had to turn their issues into moral issues, which is not familiar territory for their politicians. They are tripping over themselves because they are having to say the right things while not being trained to live the right ways and they have no moral ground to stand on. It's quite the predicament.
Now, the left has had to turn their issues into moral issues, which is not familiar territory for their politicians. They are tripping over themselves because they are having to say the right things while not being trained to live the right ways and they have no moral ground to stand on. It's quite the predicament.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:10 pm to DelU249
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but regardless, roy moore isn't saying "vote for me or you're a shitty human being"
Lol, yes he is. He's saying "vote for me or God will judge you for supporting transgendeirsm and abortion"
How can you not see that?
A different example: Hillary is a "nasty woman." Again, over the top message concerning the character of the other candidate.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 5:13 pm
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