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re: Defining What A Bribe Is
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:40 pm to AggieDub14
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:40 pm to AggieDub14
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Bribe - persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.
So if Trump said "Hey if you investigate Biden I'll give you this military aide, otherwise I wont do it", does that fit the definition? Pretty sure it does. Assuming he actually did that. Which seems likely.
I applaud Trump for not just forking over our tax dollars to the Ukraine without some sort of reciprocation good for the country.
People assume this is the only time Trump would use leverage to get what is good for the country. He promised to "drain the swamp" and that's exactly what he's doing. No ones gets a free pass just because they decided to run against him.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 7:43 pm
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Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:41 pm to AggieDub14
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isn't investigating corruption
It literally is. Literally.
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It's slandering political rivals.
2 questions:
1. Assuming Biden, a "political rival", is factually corrupt, what is the process to investigate it? Can anyone guilty of a crime run for office and suddenly be absolutely free from any investigations?
Further, if Trump investigating Biden is wrong because he's a political rival, then also by definition isn't any investigation of Trump by the democrats wrong for the exact same reasons? If not, why?
2. Your entire thread is about defining words. Slander - Oral communication of false and malicious statements. I haven't seen any slander at all.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:45 pm to AggieDub14
quote:It didnt and im not going to play into your fantasy hypothetical imaginary scenario
But if it did, would it be bribery?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:46 pm to AggieDub14
quote:The military aid was extortion. The WH visit was bribery.
Bribe - persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.
So if Trump said "Hey if you investigate Biden I'll give you this military aide, otherwise I wont do it", does that fit the definition? Pretty sure it does. Assuming he actually did that. Which seems likely.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:47 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Taylor just testified under oath the aid was never tied to any action whatsoever. So frick you
The military aid was extortion.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:48 pm to mmcgrath
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The military aid was extortion.
Define extortion and then explain using the facts how what he did was extortion.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:49 pm to ChexMix
quote:That's not what he said, so...
Taylor just testified under oath the aid was never tied to any action whatsoever.
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So frick you
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:51 pm to Nguyener
quote:Extortion is getting something via a threat.
Define extortion and then explain using the facts how what he did was extortion.
Trump was holding up the US aid as a threat for the investigations.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:51 pm to 0
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Sounds like the exact definition to me.
hahahahahahahahaha
You believe this fantasy horse shite
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:51 pm to AggieDub14
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If you do this I'll give you that. That's a bribe dude.
So are you in favor of locking Joe Biden up?? Sounds like he made a bribe..
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:52 pm to mmcgrath
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Trump was holding up the US aid as a threat for the investigations.
Did they get the aid? Did he get his investigation?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:53 pm to AggieDub14
A bribe happens only if a thing being exchanged is illegal or at least very wrong.
For example, giving a person money, or another thing of value, to fix a ticket is a bribe, because fixing a ticket is illegal or wrong.
However, if you ask a person to walk your dog for 10 bucks it is not a bribe because walking your dog is not illegal or wrong.
Asking a government to investigate an alleged crime is not illegal because it is one of the very purposes of a government. As long as the purpose of the investigation is to administer justice and not to influence a campaign it is perfectly legal.
The Dems would have to prove Trump's request for the investigation was for his campaign, and that cannot be done unless they can prove Trump said "please do this for for my campaign". He never said anything like this -- READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
For example, giving a person money, or another thing of value, to fix a ticket is a bribe, because fixing a ticket is illegal or wrong.
However, if you ask a person to walk your dog for 10 bucks it is not a bribe because walking your dog is not illegal or wrong.
Asking a government to investigate an alleged crime is not illegal because it is one of the very purposes of a government. As long as the purpose of the investigation is to administer justice and not to influence a campaign it is perfectly legal.
The Dems would have to prove Trump's request for the investigation was for his campaign, and that cannot be done unless they can prove Trump said "please do this for for my campaign". He never said anything like this -- READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:53 pm to AggieDub14
Like for example if Trump would say “if you don’t fire the prosecutor investigating my son I’m going to take the US’s billion dollars in aid and go home in 6 hours.” Like if Trump said that would that be a bribe by your definition?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:53 pm to mmcgrath
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Extortion is getting something via a threat.
Trump was holding up the US aid as a threat for the investigations.
I don't give a frick how many times you nimrods repeat a lie that is not going to make it magically true.
Where is your fricking proof? You are the same liars who ran that Russian bullshite for 2 and one half years.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:54 pm to mmcgrath
quote:He said there was no linkage between the military aide (money) and the investigation of the bidens and the server
That's not what he said, so...
That is exactly what he said you intellectually dishonest scum
Facts
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:54 pm to mmcgrath
This is false and has been proven false not only by testimony but by documentation of the timeline for which the aid was sent. Sorry facts and shite.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:55 pm to mmcgrath
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Trump was holding up the US aid as a threat for the investigations.
No, he wasn't. And there is zero evidence for it.
Try again.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:56 pm to Centinel
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And there is zero evidence for it.
But they FEEL like he was. It concerning to them. Surely that counts for something, right?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:57 pm to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
3 points I'd like you to address:
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Assuming Biden, a "political rival", is factually corrupt, what is the process to investigate it? Can anyone guilty of a crime run for office and suddenly be absolutely free from any investigations?
Further, if Trump investigating Biden is wrong because he's a political rival, then also by definition isn't any investigation of Trump by the democrats wrong for the exact same reasons? If not, why?
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You can't bribe someone using legal means to do something within their job description. That's not bribery.
Bribery-the act of paying or receiving, or of agreeing to pay or receive, a reward other than legal compensation for the exercise of official or delegated power irrespective of the dictates of duty, or for a false judgment or testimony, or for the performance of that which is known to be illegal or unjust.
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biden told the Ukraine to stop investigating his son and fire the lead investigator or he'd withhold all of their aid. how is this not bribery and why are you not upset about it?
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:58 pm to AggieDub14
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If you do this I'll give you that. That's a bribe dude.
Kind of like if you don’t fire the prosecutor you will not get a billion in aid? Doesn’t that fit your definition?
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