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Consider This: Blacks Were ‘Dumped Out’ into Society With No Way To Feasibly Get Ahead
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:25 pm
I heard someone use this analogy in an argument recently and it really made sense to me:
Imagine taking a class/race/group of people, not teaching them even the basics like how to read or exist in a free capitalistic society, and dump them out of a bucket into society and say ‘ok, coexist with us and climb your way out of generations of slavery into productive members of society’.
That’s what we did with blacks when they were freed. It’s easy to look past this, but we cannot imagine the effect this has even on generations today.
I’ve never argued for reparations, and think practically this would be very difficult to implement, but this is worthy of consideration when you really take a look at the injustice of ‘dumping them out of a bucket’ into society with no way to feasibly get ahead.
I realized this is part of why I have compassion for injustice that unfortunately too many people lack today.
Just something to think about.
Imagine taking a class/race/group of people, not teaching them even the basics like how to read or exist in a free capitalistic society, and dump them out of a bucket into society and say ‘ok, coexist with us and climb your way out of generations of slavery into productive members of society’.
That’s what we did with blacks when they were freed. It’s easy to look past this, but we cannot imagine the effect this has even on generations today.
I’ve never argued for reparations, and think practically this would be very difficult to implement, but this is worthy of consideration when you really take a look at the injustice of ‘dumping them out of a bucket’ into society with no way to feasibly get ahead.
I realized this is part of why I have compassion for injustice that unfortunately too many people lack today.
Just something to think about.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:27 pm to RFK
Explain dirt poor immigrants from dirt poor nations coming over and owning businesses by the 2nd generation. Think especially SE Asians, but plenty of African immigrants as well.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:27 pm to RFK
You made a very racist comment on the OT about black people a week or so back. Don’t act like you care. Or maybe you just forgot to log out of your alter.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:27 pm to RFK
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I’ve never argued for reparations, and think practically this would be very difficult to implement, but this is worthy of consideration when you really take a look at the injustice of ‘dumping them out of a bucket’ into society with no way to feasibly get ahead.
No it's not
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:28 pm to RFK
You do know that you are saying that they were better off as slaves, only with more words, don't you?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:28 pm to jcole4lsu
Yea but they were second or third class citizens. Blacks weren’t citizens at all.
There has been no one disenfranchised like them, that’s the point people usually miss.
There has been no one disenfranchised like them, that’s the point people usually miss.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:29 pm to RFK
quote:
I heard someone use this analogy in an argument recently and it really made sense to me:
It's good that this is an anonymous board.
Publicly admitting you're not bright is unbecoming.
quote:Hmm. Can I think of any other groups who arrived in America that fit this bill and yet, did better?
Imagine taking a class/race/group of people, not teaching them even the basics like how to read or exist in a free capitalistic society, and dump them out of a bucket into society and say ‘ok,
Why yes, yes I can.
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That’s what we did with blacks when they were freed. It’s easy to look past this, but we cannot imagine the effect this has even on generations today.
I can imagine it's effect.
I can also imagine the effect of liberal policies making permanent what could have been more temporary.
quote:The blacks that HAVE succeeded stand in stark rebuttal of your assertion.
into society with no way to feasibly get ahead.
quote:Liberals love to tell themselves they have more compassion than everyone else.
I realized this is part of why I have compassion for injustice that unfortunately too many people lack today.
Yet. In practice, this is virtually never borne out.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:29 pm to RFK
quote:of all the places to "dump" them, I would think society would be the best
look at the injustice of ‘dumping them out of a bucket’ into society
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:29 pm to RFK
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:30 pm to RFK
I could think about buying into that argument had it happened 20 years ago. It's been 150 years. That's long enough to get acclimated. And I would argue that collectively, they were doing much better a few decades ago and have regressed due to the breakdown of the nuclear family and drugs/war on drugs.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:30 pm to RFK
Explain why the poverty rate among blacks was falling twice as fast before the great society as after it
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:31 pm to RFK
quote:man this is some high class historical analysis
Yea but they were second or third class citizens. Blacks weren’t citizens at all.
There has been no one disenfranchised like them, that’s the point people usually miss.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:31 pm to RFK
Well articulated but the truth is a little deeper and blunter.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:33 pm to BigEdLSU
What do you think
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:34 pm to RFK
quote:
Consider This: Blacks Were ‘Dumped Out’ into Society With No Way To Feasibly Get Ahead
Indians were murdered in droves - now own casinos and make a helluva lot of money.
American born Japanese were rounded up and put into camps during WW2. Not a bitch or moan from them as a people group.
Blacks were enslaved nearly 200 years ago... still complain and try to beat the dead dinosaur.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:34 pm to jcole4lsu
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Explain dirt poor immigrants from dirt poor nations coming over and owning businesses by the 2nd generation. Think especially SE Asians, but plenty of African immigrants as well.
most of them are at least the same skin color. their accents wore off after a generation or two.
not defending RFK's point of view, but there's a difference between a generation later looking and sounding like other Americans and being black from here to eternity.
reparations don't need to happen. BLM, CK, Sharpton and the like need to STFU, but to act like oppression didn't happen for a long time is just foolish.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:35 pm to RFK
quote:
Just something to think about.
there is merit to that, but blacks have gone backwards since the 60's. Entitlements destroyed the black family and culture.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:35 pm to RFK
If you are being sincere, the Civil War ended over 160 years ago. It's not like they just got dumped out in the streets last week.
So to counter that immigrants who came here as citizens and were able to run successful businesses in 2nd and 3rd generations vs people coming out of non-citizen status...doesn't hold up.
So to counter that immigrants who came here as citizens and were able to run successful businesses in 2nd and 3rd generations vs people coming out of non-citizen status...doesn't hold up.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:38 pm to RFK
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That’s what we did with blacks when they were freed.
Thanks Abraham?
Plenty of whites were slaves they just used a fancy name for it.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:39 pm to RFK
quote:
Imagine taking a class/race/group of people, not teaching them even the basics like how to read or exist in a free capitalistic society, and dump them out of a bucket into society and say ‘ok, coexist with us and climb your way out of generations of slavery into productive members of society’.
quote:
Blacks weren’t citizens at all.
At the point you describe in your first statement all of them were, and many were before.
And they at least spoke at least a type of English something many other immigrants who came with nothing didn't.
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