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re: Conservative atheists need to accept this truth.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:23 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:23 pm to BoarEd
You saying Christianity wasn't the driving force behind "The West?"
I didn't follow your argument earlier and jost posted off that post so I might have missed something in that argument. Seems ridiculous to deny that Christianity and the West are inextricably intertwined.
I didn't follow your argument earlier and jost posted off that post so I might have missed something in that argument. Seems ridiculous to deny that Christianity and the West are inextricably intertwined.
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:26 pm to Parmen
I agree with you, but I don’t think it’s something that can be legislated or forced on people by the government. It is our responsibility as individuals and as Christians to influence others. It is the responsibility of government to protect our liberty to do that, but that’s where government’s role ends.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:27 pm to Jcorye1
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Except the whole keeping slavery thing.
And the bible was often cited as a justification to keep the institution around
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:30 pm to BoarEd
Oh Ed. Our country was founded on Christian values, as stated by our nations founders.
Those values have served us well for 200+ years.
Moving away from those values is likely not a positive development.
Per usual, you are trying to be clever, project nuances that twist the meaning of a very straight forward, 2 sentence post.
So I ask this: regardless of how you define our societies morals, are we better or worse off to away from them? If you agree that we are worse off, you agree with the OP.
Those values have served us well for 200+ years.
Moving away from those values is likely not a positive development.
Per usual, you are trying to be clever, project nuances that twist the meaning of a very straight forward, 2 sentence post.
So I ask this: regardless of how you define our societies morals, are we better or worse off to away from them? If you agree that we are worse off, you agree with the OP.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:31 pm to Captain Rumbeard
I would say that Ancient Greece is the cradle of Western Civilization and everything took off from there.
So no, I wouldn't say that Christianity "drove" the West. Christianity is still the new kid on the block in terms of Western Civilization having only existed these last 1,500 years or so.
How long ago was it that Moses received his ten commandments from God? It was a hell of a lot farther back than 1,500 years.
Of course now they are linked as you say, but the idea that Christianity is responsible for the rise of Western Civilization is simply wrong.
So no, I wouldn't say that Christianity "drove" the West. Christianity is still the new kid on the block in terms of Western Civilization having only existed these last 1,500 years or so.
How long ago was it that Moses received his ten commandments from God? It was a hell of a lot farther back than 1,500 years.
Of course now they are linked as you say, but the idea that Christianity is responsible for the rise of Western Civilization is simply wrong.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:34 pm to WorkinDawg
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Oh Ed. Our country was founded on Christian values, as stated be our nations founders.
Except they didn't mention Christianity once in the governing document of the land. The Constitution.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:35 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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You saying Christianity wasn't the driving force behind "The West?"
I didn't follow your argument earlier and jost posted off that post so I might have missed something in that argument. Seems ridiculous to deny that Christianity and the West are inextricably intertwined.
I would step back and consider subjugation of the local population, slavery, and plunder are not exactly things that exibit these fine "Christian Values" you are on about.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:36 pm to Powerman
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Except they didn't mention Christianity once in the governing document of the land. The Constitution.
Which was intentional. The reasons well documented.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:37 pm to WorkinDawg
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well documented.
Unlike your list of Christian Values
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:38 pm to Esquire
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Unlike your list of Christian Values
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:51 pm to WorkinDawg
If we are limiting it to the Muslim 10 Commandments, which ones are we not following enough? Do you think if we shut everything down on Sunday like Chick-fil-A the country will be better off?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:52 pm to Esquire
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Do you think if we shut everything down on Sunday like Chick-fil-A the country will be better off?
Yeah, that is exactly what I think
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:56 pm to WorkinDawg
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So I ask this: regardless of how you define our societies morals, are we better or worse off to away from them? If you agree that we are worse off, you agree with the OP.
What in the hell does it even mean to "move away from Christian values", or now it's become "morals" I guess.
If you're trying to claim that we are going to move away from the wisdom of the ten commandments I can assure you it will never happen. As I said, the ten commandments are God's Spiritual Law. They are as immutable as the Law of Gravity. They will always exist.
You'll find commonalities between Levitical law and the Code of Hammurabi. The Code of Hammurabi is ultimately where we get the inspiration for our system of law today. It's the oldest known "book" of laws in the world. If Levitical Law is borrowed from Babylonian law, again, where are these so-called "Christian Values?"
We aren't going to move away from them because they underpin everything.
Again, the OP is trying to tie this idea of an apostasy of the church to the abandonment of "Christian Values" and that simply isn't the case.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:57 pm to WorkinDawg
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Yeah, that is exactly what I think
How do we decide which people go to hell so we can buy gas and groceries?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:04 am to Esquire
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How do we decide which people go to hell so we can buy gas and groceries?
We don't have to. If you buy or sell gas or groceries on Sunday you will go to hell. That's exactly what I believe and the point of this thread
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:05 am to WorkinDawg
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Yeah, that is exactly what I think
In other words your beliefs are anti freedom and thus should not be the law of the land
frick off
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:08 am to Powerman
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In other words your beliefs are anti freedom and thus should not be the law of the land
frick off
you are so eaten up with anti-christian bias. I'll pray for youPosted on 2/25/20 at 12:12 am to WorkinDawg
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you are so eaten up with anti-christian bias. I'll pray for you
No. I have a problem with people who think their religion should trump the rule of law, namely in instances where it infringes upon the freedom of others.
People like you are completely useless
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:13 am to WorkinDawg
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We don't have to. If you buy or sell gas or groceries on Sunday you will go to hell. That's exactly what I believe and the point of this thread
So if you have a heart attack on Sunday, you would be fine with the doctor waiting to treat you until Monday? What if your house catches fire or a burglar is in your house? God’s plan, right?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:18 am to Powerman
Powerman, bro, I don't think everyone should be required to shut it down on Sunday's like Chickfila. The premise is so ridiculous I gave a smartass answer. Relax my man, it'll make you happier.
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