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Coal Update: not great

Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:21 am
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:21 am
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In 2007, coal-fired capacity in the United States totaled 313 gigawatts (GW) across 1,470 generators. By the end of 2017, 529 of those generators, with a total capacity of 55 GW, had retired. So far in 2018, 11 GW of coal-fired generating capacity has retired through September, and another 3 GW are expected to retire in the final three months of the year, based on data reported to EIA by plant owners and operators. If these plants retire as planned, 2018 will be the second-highest year for coal retirements. Another 4 GW of capacity are planning to retire by the end of 2019.

Only one, relatively small, new coal-fired generator with a capacity of 17 megawatts is expected to come online by the end of 2019.




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EIA expects total U.S. coal consumption in 2018 to fall to 691 million short tons (MMst), a 4% decline from 2017 and the lowest level since 1979. U.S. coal consumption has been falling since its peak in 2007, and EIA forecasts that 2018 coal consumption will be 437 MMst (44%) lower than 2007 levels, mainly driven by declines in coal use in the electric power sector.

The electric power sector is the nation’s largest consumer of coal, accounting for 93% of total U.S. coal consumption between 2007 and 2018. The decline in coal consumption since 2007 is the result of both the retirements of coal-fired power plants and the decreases in the capacity factors, or utilization, of coal plants as increased competition from natural gas and renewable sources have reduced coal’s market share.



Can this be stopped by our leaders in government, or anyone at all?

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Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:21 am to
Tl;dr this is fake news. We are using clean coal.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134840 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:24 am to
Not surprising with our increase in cheap natural gas production.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77940 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:24 am to
Enjoy your 5th downvote courtesy of ol' cad
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:24 am to
quote:

this is fake news

put out by Trump's own Dept of Energy
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:25 am to
Besides Rick Perry, people in the energy department are likely careerists hold overs from Obama. It means nothing to me
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:26 am to
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It means nothing to me

i don't think anyone was under any illusions of data meaning much to you
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 9:28 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67635 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:26 am to
quote:

Can this be stopped by our leaders in government


Jimmy Carter did it once. He put a moritorium on natural gas plants and forced coal upon people.

That's how we got coal plants like Big Cajun sitting on top of some of the largest natural gas fields in North America.
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4786 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:26 am to
market forces will do what they will... the issue wasnt coal fading away, it was team Obama putting handcuffs on the coal industry trying to kill it off faster
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17473 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:27 am to
Better stop selling those 'lectric cars then.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77940 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:27 am to
quote:

don't think anyone was under any illusions of how little data means to you
tell us more about government sponsored studies.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37574 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Tl;dr this is fake news. We are using clean coal.

You're right about the clean burning coal but it's mainly new technology that has reburners and filters being put into play. Uses less coal and has a lot less coal emissions.

Bottom line is either they'll have to let us build newer cleaner burning coal plants (we're fighting to upgrade Santee Cooper here in SC) or they have to let us build more nuclear plants ... or they'll have to do better with solar here in the South, making it a more financially feasible option with tax credits and subsidized funding IF they want to be ready to handle power demands in the very near future.

Someone needs to decide.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:28 am to
quote:

the issue wasnt coal fading away

no?
Posted by Tony Tiger89
EVERYWHERE
Member since Feb 2008
2861 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:28 am to
The last 2 years have been great, watching everyone on here laugh at you and your post!! LOL

Keep up the great work !!
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
3251 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:29 am to
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Not surprising with our increase in cheap natural gas production.


It's not just that...it is far cheaper to construct gas-fired power plants than coal fired power plants...


Basically, most of our coal-fired plants are very, very old...we are running them into the ground and decommissioning them when the cost benefits are favorable...


This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 9:33 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:30 am to
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This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 1:05 am
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2668 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:30 am to
Takes time to build new plants. Without knowing much about this it sounds like this is still the affects of Obama killing coal. More interesting data would be how much is in permitting and construction. The fact that a new one just came on board tells me there may be more.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:31 am to
quote:

tell us more about government sponsored studies.

uh, ok. the EIA tracks and reports all kinds of items relevant to the energy industry, like prices, production, and consumption

Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:31 am to
People on this board work in the oil industry and are just fine with coal getting shut down. Enjoy another downvote.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139776 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:33 am to
Not great? Is the update good, fair or poor in your opinion if it's not great.
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