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re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by TenWheelsForJesus on 3/23/19 at 4:20 pm to Crimson Wraith
This is another targeted attack on Christianity. There are other agencies that place kids with queer families, so why did they choose this one knowing they wouldn't place a kid with them. Surely the gay people researched adoption agencies and didn't just walk by one day and on a whim decided to go in and ask for a child.
What kind of person sues an adoption agency, risking it getting shut down, instead of just going to one of the several others? A selfish person that is willing to keep many, many children in foster care just for his own benefit. If they are this willing to put their own interests above those of potentially hundreds of children, then they are not the kind of people that should be allowed to adopt in the first place. They care more about an agenda than the children.
What kind of person sues an adoption agency, risking it getting shut down, instead of just going to one of the several others? A selfish person that is willing to keep many, many children in foster care just for his own benefit. If they are this willing to put their own interests above those of potentially hundreds of children, then they are not the kind of people that should be allowed to adopt in the first place. They care more about an agenda than the children.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FalseProphet on 3/23/19 at 4:22 pm to FooManChoo
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Possibly but that isn’t the point. It is discrimination against religious organizations based on their religious beliefs. Religion is protected by the constitution; sexual orientation isn’t.
How about you actuallly recite the correct standard. It’s unconstitutional to exclude religious organizations from generally available government-sponsored programs solely based on religion.
Now, you tell me how refusing to give taxpayer funds to a religious organization that discriminates against would-be adopters violates that principle.
This post was edited on 3/23 at 4:23 pm
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by Azkiger on 3/23/19 at 4:28 pm to FooManChoo
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The amendment was created to protect religious belief from interference from the government, not as a stick to swing at religion to keep it out of the public square.
Holy hell, stfu...
Being allowed in the public square doesnt equal recieving government funding.
You have to know this. You're being completely dishonest here.
You'd be losing your shite if an LGBTQ agency was receiving state funding and turning away hetero/Christian couples.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by imjustafatkid on 3/23/19 at 4:28 pm to Crimson Wraith
The obvious result of this scenario is that children will suffer, but anyone advocating for gay adoptions doesn't care about the well-being of children anyway so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by Mr. Misanthrope on 3/23/19 at 4:29 pm to SOSFAN
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Children need a safe happy environment doesn't matter if the parents are straight or gay. At least the gay couples are stepping up.
Seriously?
They're "stepping up" because they want children and can't have them the way Nature and Nature's God intended. They are demanding reproductive privileges and responsibilities denied them by the most primary and primal of laws. Nature itself.
So they resort to novel and questionable sociology, psychology, and jurisprudence to batter down the barriers Nature itself erected for the benefit of our species.
I think stable heterosexual married couples, for fertility issues or a simple desire to parent, should be accorded adoption privileges because children thrive in a stable traditional two-parent home.
Whether or not same-sex "marriages" or domestic partnerships are legal is irrelevant as they inherently violate human reproductive biology and the privileges and responsibilities it engenders.
With respect to the ruling against Christian adoption organizations it is apparent the secular state is indifferent to religious matters of conscience as they pertain to handing over children to homosexual couples the organization believes, as a matter of conscience, are unsuitable. Those organizations will need to learn to operate without the benefit and shackles of a hostile government bureaucracy. It may be a great blessing in disguise. God and mysterious ways as they say.
Also, your post implies there is a dearth of heterosexual married couples wishing to adopt creating a "need" for which homosexual couples are heroically "stepping up" to meet.
Is this factual or simply a justification promoting homosexual adoption?
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FalseProphet on 3/23/19 at 4:30 pm to imjustafatkid
Yep. I am all for leaving a kid in the system rather than giving him or her to two people that will love them.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by imjustafatkid on 3/23/19 at 4:31 pm to FalseProphet
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I am all for leaving a kid in the system rather than giving him or her to two people that will love them.
Well good. I'm glad you're smart enough to make the tough calls that are best for the children.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FooManChoo on 3/23/19 at 4:31 pm to Azkiger
quote:The government can’t discriminate against an organization for their religious beliefs.
Government funded religious organizations is guaranteed with the First Amendment?
quote:There are plenty of individuals or groups that pay taxes that can’t participate in some tax-funded projects or services. Child molesters, for example, pay taxes but are excluded from adoption.
I have no issue with them being picky, just dont take tax payer money. You can't tax gays then use that money to prop up a group that'll turn them away.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by jacob4bama on 3/23/19 at 4:36 pm to FalseProphet
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Yep. I am all for leaving a kid in the system rather than giving him or her to two people that will love them.
So you are for defunding an organization that is getting a significant number of children out of foster care and into good homes, because they do not hold your same beliefs?
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FalseProphet on 3/23/19 at 4:37 pm to jacob4bama
My church doesn’t profess to tolerate hatred, but I guess yours does.
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re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by Robin Masters on 3/23/19 at 4:40 pm to ChexMix
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how old are you again?
40s. Two young kids and imI’d have them with a quality gay family before I’d let them stay in orphanage or foster. There are shite heads of all stripes, gay or hetero.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by jacob4bama on 3/23/19 at 4:48 pm to FalseProphet
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My church doesn’t profess to tolerate hatred, but I guess yours does.
I don’t care what your church professes. If it is helping solve the problem of getting foster children into good homes that is great. I am for supporting orthodox christian churches, progressive churches, and progressive homosexual institutions that are helping children in foster care. I just don’t think we have to make all institutions the same, and can have freedom to hold true and genuine convictions. So I am not for defunding any of them.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by Robin Masters on 3/23/19 at 4:48 pm to FooManChoo
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It’s not just about love and commitment. It’s about providing a healthy example of gender roles that a man and a woman provide that two men or two women ca
I was raised by a single mom and I’m a very amazing person. Lol.
I certainly agree that quality man & woman is best, not debating that. Unfortunately not everyone gets those cards dealt to them and it doesn’t mean a gay couple cant provide incredible love and support.
Doctor in my hood adopted, with his wife, twin boy and girl. When they we were 9 he was busted fricking one of his drug reps. They divorced and now dad lives in an apartment alone and kids see him every other weekend.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FalseProphet on 3/23/19 at 4:51 pm to jacob4bama
You do understand that the state doesn’t have to fund ANY of them, right? And if the state does fund some, it can set conditions, as long as they are non discriminatory conditions. The state has said that if you want to exclude entire classes of people from the adoption process, you don’t get state funding. They can continue to operate on their own.
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You’ll have to take that up with Democrats. That has nothing to do with me. Why don’t you ever get shite right?
I don’t know all of your positions. I just recently noticed you as a poster. Your struggles to grasp simple concepts recently has made you stick out. Forgive me for not knowing you were pro life. It’s nice to know you aren’t a hypocrite on that front.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by Nguyener on 3/23/19 at 4:54 pm to Robin Masters
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Meh, I’ve seen enough same sex couples with kids to know they have the capacity to raise a family and nurture their kids in supreme fashion.
This has literally nothing to do with the OP. No one is saying they can't adopt. They just couldn't adopt from some christian run adoption agencies.
They can go to a different agency. If the need is there, the market will fill it.
Why do these groups constantly feel like the government should force every business to cater to their individual needs? It is as stupid as it is maddening.
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What a stupid arse post. What does that have to do with this?
I realize your grasp on science and biology is not strong. I mean, you thought women could have third trimester ectopic pregnancies.
His comment was about the importance of children. Think really hard why a third trimester baby might fit into that category.
re: Christian adoption agencies in MI will lose state funding if they turn away same-sexPosted by FalseProphet on 3/23/19 at 4:56 pm to Nguyener
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They can go to a different agency. If the need is there, the market will fill it.
And if people want to go to niche adoption agencies, the market will support them too.
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Children are more important
The fact that any progressive who supports unbridled abortion up to birth can say this statement with a straight face is an impressive exercise in hypocrisy and lunacy.
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You'd be losing your shite if an LGBTQ agency was receiving state funding and turning away hetero/Christian couples.
I dont think I disagree with your overall point, but this is a false equivalence. Which religious doctrine would an LGBTQ agency base the decision upon?
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