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re: Central message of Christianity
Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:06 pm to Duke
Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:06 pm to Duke
quote:not entirely. while there is an element of this in christ's salvific death, it is also a matter of propitiation and the hope of atonement
You're called to care for and help other people, even above your own wants. The crucifixion is this taken to the very extreme.
quote:not at all. man cannot give himself peace. peace comes from the holy spirit through the redemptive work of christ. it is the knowledge that no matter what happens in this life, the believer has been redeemed because of the blood of the Pascal lamb. we are blessed in ministering to others, to be sure but, it is not the peace spoken of in scripture
It's more that by being a servant of your fellow man, you'll find that peace
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:07 pm to Andychapman13
quote:this is a noble life for sure but not the central message of christianity.
To embrace challenge and endure suffering for the sake of growth and prosperity for ourselves and others is the central mission a man should pursue in life
Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:38 pm to bfniii
quote:
no it wasn't. any sufficiently clued up person would know this. it's been debunked several times over.
Luke 7:11–17
1 Kings 17:17–24
2 Kings 4:18–37
2 Kings 13:20–21
Luke 7:11–17
Luke 8:52–56
John 11
Matthew 27:50–53
Acts 9:36–43
Acts 20:7–12
Mark 16:1–8
Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:45 pm to bfniii
quote:
man cannot give himself peace. peace comes from the holy spirit through the redemptive work of christ. it is the knowledge that no matter what happens in this life, the believer has been redeemed because of the blood of the Pascal lamb.
I think we’re disagreeing because we have the fundamental difference between Gods act as blanket forgiveness vs Gods example. I believe in theosis, therefore believe Jesus provided me the ultimate example of how to achieve peace and direction how to achieve personal resurrection or ascension to heaven, but he gives us the power to do something that we indeed have to choose to do.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:14 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:
The central theme is the Resurrection.
this is not wrong, and nor is the OP. Each is a necessary yet insufficient condition of the substitutionary sacrifice of YHWH AND Christ's Divinity.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:28 pm to TopFlightSecurity
quote:
Unlike 95% of Christians I've actually read the bible.
You clearly missed the point of it then. If human beings were perfect, then we wouldn’t need Jesus. The whole argument you think you are making is actually the reason Christ had to come and die for us. Turns out all humans are sinful and fall short of the glory of God, just like it says in the Bible. That includes “American Christians” whatever that is supposed to mean
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:47 pm to bmy
quote:how do you people make it through the day?
bmy
quote:did you not know that none of these were from the time of jesus? so you did find a couple of biblical examples. now where are all the copious extrabiblical examples?
1 Kings 17:17–24, 2 Kings 4:18–37, 2 Kings 13:20–21
quote:this one is probably like the matthew passage you cited
2 Kings 13:20–21
quote:these are examples of jesus raising people from the dead. you made the claim that it was common all over the ancient world meaning, non jesus occurrences, right?
Luke 7:11–17, Luke 8:52–56, John 11
quote:again, directly tied to jesus. also, it's not clear that they were resurrected in the same way as the other examples you listed. it could be that they were merely animated. the word used here is ??e??? which could mean resurrected or merely raised up. for example, in the acts instances, the raised people actually interacted again whereas the dead saints were merely seen by people.
Matthew 27:50–53
quote:yet again, these are biblical examples directly tied to jesus as explained in acts 1:8.
Acts 9:36–43, Acts 20:7–12
quote:um, this is jesus
Mark 16:1–8
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:14 pm to bmy
it doesn't surprise me that you didn't respond but, if you REALLY want to look into the concept of resurrection in the ancient world read the first 551 pages of
nt wright's book on the subject
it's pretty much the definitive commentary on the subject. if you make it that far, you might as well just read the next 180 pages to finish the book and hear some truth. or you could just keep making uninformed statements on the internet
nt wright's book on the subject
it's pretty much the definitive commentary on the subject. if you make it that far, you might as well just read the next 180 pages to finish the book and hear some truth. or you could just keep making uninformed statements on the internet
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:21 pm to Boatshoes
quote:
Correct. That's the only reason we know about the crucifixion of a Jewish carpenter 2000 years ago.
the carpenter thing is a mistranslation
it's more likely that jesus was a stonemason
or in modern terms, Jesus was a welder
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:01 am to el Gaucho
quote:t??t?? could mean carpenter, stonemason, builder, craftsman, etc.
the carpenter thing is a mistranslation. it's more likely that jesus was a stonemason
ugh, no greek. tektwn - transliterated
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 12:02 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:48 am to bfniii
Have an up vote just because you’re probably the only other guy on this forum who has read N.T. Wright.
Brilliant man.
He and Keller are my heroes. Love Piper, too (and I’m not even Reformed). He and Wright’s debate about justification was something that can only be loved by theology nerds.
Anyway, kudos on the Wright reference. Made my heart glad to see such on TD.
Brilliant man.
He and Keller are my heroes. Love Piper, too (and I’m not even Reformed). He and Wright’s debate about justification was something that can only be loved by theology nerds.
Anyway, kudos on the Wright reference. Made my heart glad to see such on TD.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 1:21 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:54 am to bfniii
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This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 1:05 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 1:47 am to epbart
quote:
That the most important thing is just believing that Jesus is the true son of God and his sacrifice/blood will save you as long as you demonstrate sufficient acceptance of this truth with faith & love. But otherwise, your own imperfections don't matter so much as you're not going to be able to live up to Jesus' example anyway.
The problem with your statement is if you really have accepted Jesus into your heart and believe in him you will strive to become a perfect person. Your second sentence sounds like a cop out for those who pretend to know Jesus but really don’t.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 1:52 am to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:
The one and only man to ever raise himself from the dead is pretty central.
To a Sci-Fi story Maybe. The teachings of Jesus were the most important aspect not some stupid Hokie magical false interpretation
Posted on 4/25/19 at 2:03 am to Andychapman13
Teachings, sayings beatitudes, aren't why people come to Christianity.
"I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me."
"I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me."
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:55 am to Andychapman13
quote:
But the central theme was the crucifixion.
Let me help you....the crucifixion was not a theme and while the crucifixion was very important, the resurrection is THE most important event ever bc Jesus conquered death and we now have also.
quote:
Central message of Christianity
Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:22 am to Andychapman13
sounds a lot like gnostocism to me
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:32 am to burdhead
You can strive for perfection all you want. You'll never get there. That is what religion tells you. Do this, this, this, and this and maybe you'll earn your way to God. Good luck with that.
Christianity says God, through His love, mercy, and grace, came to us in the form of Jesus to do what we could never ever accomplish on our own.
Thank you, Daddy!
Christianity says God, through His love, mercy, and grace, came to us in the form of Jesus to do what we could never ever accomplish on our own.
Thank you, Daddy!
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:59 am to Wtodd
quote:
the resurrection is THE most important event ever bc Jesus conquered death and we now have also.
El Sol no one achieved the afterlife before Jesus? This is really stupid. I don't know why people focus on the magic aspect so much. It's about the teachings. Resurrection stuff is horse hockey.
quote:
Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
And yet you don't think this is the central message? This is definitely the central message
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:04 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:Bingo! It's NOT a Death Cult.
The central theme is the Resurrection.
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