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Cave Art Study Claims "Ancient Zodiac" Existed 40,000 Years Ago (may rewrite history)
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:52 pm
https://www.inverse.com/article/51302-ancient-astronomy-cave-painting
Study is being criticized
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/cave-paintings-suggest-ancient-humans-230600479.html
“climate change events” , these frickers
All joking aside, the implications are pretty profound...
Related “unrelated” content:
Göbekli Tepe pillars (seperate thread)
Recent impact site in Greenland (seperate thread)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/11/strange-earthquake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/
Open discussion of unexplained aerial phenomenon (and the paranormal by default) by the Pentagon/NY Times
Weird political machinations
Stay tuned...
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Contentious Cave Art Study Claims "Ancient Zodiac" Existed 40,000 Years Ago In a bold new study, scientists attempt to rewrite the history of astronomy.
By Sarah Sloat on November 29, 2018
Filed Under Art, Astronomy, Evolution, History & Stars
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The Greek astronomer Hipparchus, who lived around 120 BCE, usually gets credit for discovering the equinoxes and their relationship to the zodiac constellations. But in a controversial new study, researchers point to ancient cave paintings as proof that people who lived nearly 40,000 years ago already had this advanced knowledge of astronomy. If true, this theory would dramatically change the timeline of humanity’s understanding of the natural world.
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First author Martin Sweatman, Ph.D., is confident that his paper can dramatically alter our understanding of the ancient world and modern-day academic principles. In the Athens Journal of History paper, he and co-author Alistair Coombs claim that depictions of animals in well-studied ancient cave paintings in France and Spain prove that Hipparchus was tens of thousands years late to the astronomy game. “Basically, we have defined a new research area — the evolution of an ancient zodiac,” Sweatman tells Inverse. “It also has implications for the origin of writing, science, mathematics, and astronomy of course. It has implications for the origin and evolution of religion.”
Study is being criticized
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Sweatman and Coombs argue that cave-dwelling humans who made art in the Chauvet cave of northern Spain, the Lascaux site in France, and Neolithic sites like Göbekli Tepe, had figured out the equinox and constellations long before Hipparchus and the Babylonians.
“Our work essentially proves the animal symbols used in Paleolithic cave art represent star constellations,” Sweatman says. “We know this, because when we compare the dates of this art, determined by the radiocarbon method, with our predictions based on our zodiacal method, we find an extraordinary level of agreement for all European Paleolithic art.”
They claim that the cave art in Chauvet, Lascaux, and Göbekli Tepe doesn’t just depict any animals — they depict animal-shaped constellations, the same ones Hipparchus spotted in 120 BC. The Lascaux shaft scene, for example, shows four figures of animals and three geometric shapes and dates to about 15,200 BCE. In the paper, Sweatman argues this scene actually shows four animal-shaped constellations corresponding to the solstices and equinoxes — and may also commemorate a comet strike.
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In turn, their theory goes, the overlap of these dates and the creation of the animal cave art means that ancient humans used zodiac constellations to record dates and understand the passing of time. Sweatman figures that people could have defined dates within an accuracy window of 250 years. If so, that would be an unprecedented level of human sophistication for such an early stage of our evolution.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/cave-paintings-suggest-ancient-humans-230600479.html
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Cave Paintings Suggest Ancient Humans Undersood the Stars Much Better Than We Thought
David Grossman David Grossman
Popular Mechanics
November 29, 2018, 5:06 PM CST
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This determination was made through a combination of radiocarbon dating and studying the atmospheric history. Around the same time "The Shaft Scene" was being made, a climate change event was recorded in a Greenland ice core, ancient ice which has stored climate records for over 100,000 years.
Through dating the paints of the drawings, scientists were able to find when they were applied to the walls. Using powerful computer programs, they were able to compare these dates to the predicted positions of the stars.
Researchers now believe that several ancient cave paintings were made in recognition of climate change events. Specifically, the stone pillars at Göbekli Tepe, a mysterious archaeological site in southeastern Turkey, with a focus on one known as Pillar 43, "can be viewed as a memorial to the proposed Younger Dryas event [a period of abrupt climate change 14,500 years ago]," they say in their paper, available in preprint on arXiv.
“climate change events” , these frickers
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"Early cave art shows that people had advanced knowledge of the night sky within the last ice age," says Martin Sweatman, of the University of Edinburgh's School of Engineering, who led the study, in a press statement. "Intellectually, they were hardly any different to us today."
All joking aside, the implications are pretty profound...
Related “unrelated” content:
Göbekli Tepe pillars (seperate thread)
Recent impact site in Greenland (seperate thread)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/11/strange-earthquake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/
quote:
Strange waves rippled around the world, and nobody knows why Instruments picked up the seismic waves more than 10,000 miles away—but bizarrely, nobody felt them.
Open discussion of unexplained aerial phenomenon (and the paranormal by default) by the Pentagon/NY Times
Weird political machinations
Stay tuned...
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:56 pm to ThinePreparedAni
All I really need to know is if I’m still a Libra or not.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:06 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Right off the top of my head... ancient astronaut theory comes to mind, as well as a possible relationship to early hominids.
Fascinating stuff, TPA.
Fascinating stuff, TPA.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:09 pm to TigerAxeOK
Well I’m not smart enough to comprehend
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:14 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Cave Art Study Claims "Ancient Zodiac" Existed 40,000 Years Ago
Leave Lyin' Ted alone already
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:27 pm to upgrayedd
Weren't there supposed to be two sets of comets? One at the end of each Dryas?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:25 pm to TigerAxeOK
I've heard the ancient astronaut theorists talk about the cave paintings. Graham Hancock has also related them to altered/improved consciousness.
Hancock on Consciousness (Youtube)
If I remember correctly, some of the paintings can be viewed as pointing to Sirius, which was important to many ancient cultures. Hancock also talks about how the procession of the equinoxes may be related to Sirius.
Hancock on Astronomy (Youtube)
Hancock on Consciousness (Youtube)
If I remember correctly, some of the paintings can be viewed as pointing to Sirius, which was important to many ancient cultures. Hancock also talks about how the procession of the equinoxes may be related to Sirius.
Hancock on Astronomy (Youtube)
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:35 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I think cave men were probably smarter that today's humans. They solved problems without the aid of PCs and smartphones.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:42 pm to tarzana
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think cave men were probably smarter that today's humans. They solved problems without the aid of PCs and smartphones.
HP scientific calculators were amazing.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:47 pm to CelticDog
I'm skeptical.
who was in europe 40,000 years ago?
Neanderthals.
Homo sapiens just arrived Europe c. 40,000 years ago.
Sketchy.
who was in europe 40,000 years ago?
Neanderthals.
Homo sapiens just arrived Europe c. 40,000 years ago.
Sketchy.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:56 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Anybody care to put that in laymen’s terms?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:00 pm to ThinePreparedAni
It isn’t a profound discovery that modern humans from 40,000 years ago might have been aware of the equinoxes and other astronomical phenomena. They were, after all, as evolved as we are now.
Evolutionary modern humans have a fascination with the seasons and other natural phenomena. The Eqyptians built their pyramids according to astronomical alignments. In the Western Hemisphere, the Mayas and other peoples also built their pyramids in alignment with astronomical occurrences.
The only major difference between the people from 40,000 years ago and 4,000 years ago (when the Egyptian culture was thriving) is the number of people who were living at the time. 40,000 years ago only a few tens of thousands lived, and they were spread wide in small groups. 4,000 years ago the earth had about 25 million people and they lived in some sizable cities.
The key to human domination of the earth is the “many minds” characteristic of our species. Division of labor has given us free time to contemplate our existence with the superior brains that evolution gifted us. It’s not surprising at all that some of our ancestors from 40,000 years ago were able to use this time to figure out that we lived on a world that was affected by forces of nature.
Evolutionary modern humans have a fascination with the seasons and other natural phenomena. The Eqyptians built their pyramids according to astronomical alignments. In the Western Hemisphere, the Mayas and other peoples also built their pyramids in alignment with astronomical occurrences.
The only major difference between the people from 40,000 years ago and 4,000 years ago (when the Egyptian culture was thriving) is the number of people who were living at the time. 40,000 years ago only a few tens of thousands lived, and they were spread wide in small groups. 4,000 years ago the earth had about 25 million people and they lived in some sizable cities.
The key to human domination of the earth is the “many minds” characteristic of our species. Division of labor has given us free time to contemplate our existence with the superior brains that evolution gifted us. It’s not surprising at all that some of our ancestors from 40,000 years ago were able to use this time to figure out that we lived on a world that was affected by forces of nature.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:37 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I've known about this since I listened to The Division Bell backwards.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:39 am to ThinePreparedAni
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“climate change events” , these frickers
but . . but . . but . . .
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Using powerful computer programs,
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:39 am to ChineseBandit58
I always knew we was Kings and queens
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:02 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Cave Art Study Claims "Ancient Zodiac" Existed 40,000 Years Ago
I’ve seen this movie.
Doesn’t end well for Humans.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:47 am to ThinePreparedAni
One implication I see is that our intelligent growth is a whole lot slower than we thought.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:50 am to ThinePreparedAni
https://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/11/29/tibetan-plateau-human-occupation-migation/#.XAFn-BZMFR5
There is that timeframe again...
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Ancient Tools Reveal People Inhabited the ‘Roof of the World’ Far Earlier Than Thought
By Roni Dengler |
November 29, 2018 2:23 pm
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As humans spread across the planet, high-altitude places like the Tibetan Plateau were some of the last regions to be inhabited. Now archaeologists have discovered a cache of ancient stone blades in northern Tibet from at least 30,000 years ago. The find is the earliest evidence for people living at high altitude and means humans were living in the harsh conditions of the miles-high Tibetan Plateau much earlier than previously thought.
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Before the discovery, researchers thought humans colonized the Tibetan Plateau only 12,000 years ago. After all, year-round cold, little vegetation and scarce oxygen typify the area as one of the world’s most extreme environments. Although genetic studies suggested humans inhabited the region much earlier, perhaps 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, concrete archaeological proof was missing until now.
There is that timeframe again...
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Our research indicates that human ancestors were technologically capable of accommodating high altitudes much earlier than we previously had evidence for,” Olsen said.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:59 am to SlapahoeTribe
This is actually discussed in the thread below:
This also is a bridge for my interest into studies of ancient world and the “other worldly”. Pay attention over the next few months and view things in a domain independent fashion
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/ny-times-the-pentagons-ufo-program---spin-off-for-aerospace---esoteric-discussion/74223344/page-12/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-origins-of-directed-panspermia/
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The Origins of Directed Panspermia
By Christian Orlic on January 9, 2013
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The Earth is beaming with life and yet there is no consensus on how life arose or what life is. The origin of life is “one of the great unsolved mysteries of science” (Crick, F. Life Itself). While there is no accepted definition of life, most of us [humans] can easily discriminate the living from the non-living (IrisFry’s Book is a good primer on ideas regarding the origins of life). Questions about the origin of life became more prevalent after Pasteur and others showed that life did not arise spontaneously. The discovery that the raw components of life are present throughout the universe suggests that life could exist elsewhere, and that the origin of life as we know it may have depended on materials that arrived on Earth via inter-stellar travel. Some scientists have speculated that life itself originated elsewhere and made its way to earth.
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Francis Crick (who co-discovered the structure of DNA with James Watson) and Leslie Orgel once proposed that life on Earth was the result of a deliberate infection, designed by aliens who had purposely fled mother nature’s seed to a new home in the sun. Crick repeatedly addressed the question of the origin of life between 1971 and 1988 (I am currently working on a historical study of Crick and Orgel’s theory of Directed Panspermia and its reception).
Crick and Orgel proposed their Directed Panspermia theory at a conference on Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence, organized by Carl Sagan and held at the Byuraka Observatory in Soviet Armenia in 1971. This theory which they described as an “highly unorthodox proposal” and “bold speculation” was presented as a plausible scientific hypothesis. Two years after the conference they published an article in Icarus on 1973.
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In 2012 a movie called Prometheus was released. In this stunning movie human scholars find similarities between archeological sites from ancient civilizations separated by centuries have drawn the same pictogram. The archeologists conclude that the pictogram must be a map, an invitation, from the “engineers” who not only designed us but have intervened in our affairs. The movie is set in 2093 and researchers decide to go and find them in a quest to further understand the origins of mankind. Despite its several and severe scientific flaws, Prometheus is an interesting film because it addresses that ever mysterious quest to unveil not only how we came to be but how life began.
For those who watched the movie, remember these 2 “educated” guys fumble around the pyramid (in the dark) in their ignorance and do silly things (one is arrogant, the other is scared /domain dependent, not by chance...)
“I like rocks, not giant dead fricking bodies”
Interesting that he was transformed into a weapon (of sorts...)
The guy on the right is a biologist (who gives reverence to Darwin earlier in the film). The guy on the left is a geologist.
Both are sacrificed (in a very purposeful way...)
I suspect that Ridley Scott had a broader message to convey if one is open to it...
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The Ouroboros or uroborus (/?(j)??r?'b?r?s, u?'r?b?r?s/)[2][3] is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon eating its own tail. Originating in ancient Egyptian iconography, the ouroboros entered western tradition via Greek magical tradition and was adopted as a symbol in Gnosticism and Hermeticism and most notably in alchemy. The term derives from Ancient Greek: ????ß????,[4] from ???? (oura), "tail"[5] + ß??? (bora), "food",[6] from ß?ß??s?? (bibrosko), "I eat".[7]
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The ouroboros appears elsewhere in Egyptian sources, where, like many Egyptian serpent deities, it represents the formless disorder that surrounds the orderly world and is involved in that world's periodic renewal.[9] The symbol persisted in Egypt into Roman times, when it frequently appeared on magical talismans, sometimes in combination with other magical emblems.[10] The 4th-century AD Latin commentator Servius was aware of the Egyptian use of the symbol, noting that the image of a snake biting its tail represents the cyclical nature of the year.[11
Scott made sure to show the ship in profile (on it's side)
That scene (considered silly by many) should now make more sense...
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/scientists-say-an-alien-code-may-be-hidden-inside-our-d-472157262
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An Alien Code May Be Hidden Inside Our DNA!
George Dvorsky 4/10/13 5:54pmFiled to: ASTROBIOLOGY 15.0K 48 1
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A new paper published in the journal Icarus is suggesting that the best way for an extraterrestrial civilization to communicate across stellar distances is to send messages embedded within genetic code. It’s an interesting take on the panspermia hypothesis, one the scientists hope will lead to “biological SETI.”
The authors of the paper, Vladimir Shcherbak and Maxim Makukov, summarize their argument like this:
The code is a flexible mapping between codons [the initial nucleotide from which translation starts] and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature.
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The intelligent signature, say Shcherbak and Makukov, could be delivered through space and time. Consequently, they conclude that our genetic code “may have been invented outside the solar system already several billion years ago.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2i9tla/science_ama_series_im_maxim_makukov_a_researcher/?sort=qa
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r/Science
AMA Series: I’m Maxim Makukov, a researcher in astrobiology and astrophysics and a co-author of the papers which claim to have identified extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code thereby confirming directed panspermia. AMA!
u/Maxim_Makukov
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