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re: Cartels labeled as terrorist organizations

Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:46 pm to
This topic has been discussed many times here with many different opinions. I have no idea how it will turn out but it's a dam good start!
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
19392 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:48 pm to
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An escalation of the failed War on Drugs. Terrible decision.


Oh, dear.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
15415 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:48 pm to
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I see this going about like Vietnam


I think your vision is impaired! LoL
It will be nothing like Vietnam.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:48 pm to
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Those drugs don't just tote themselves across the border and throw themselves into distribution in the US


I understand which is why his point about domestic policing in the context of this discussion seemed weird.

That's why I said I don't think that's what we're talking about in this thread and what we are talking about is engaging in a foreign conflict in Mexico
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:52 pm to
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That's why I said I don't think that's what we're talking about in this thread and what we are talking about is engaging in a foreign conflict in Mexico


What it does is stop treating the cartels as merely a law enforcement problem and treats them as what they are: a trans-national, national security threat similar to Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gives the President the tools to deal with them as such. Whether the President decides to engage with them in Mexico or another country is up in the air but he has the tools to go after them in a similar manner to terrorist threats.

These tools should be available.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:53 pm to
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What it does is stop treating the cartels as merely a law enforcement problem and treats them as what they are: a trans-national, national security threat similar to Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gives the President the tools to deal with them as such.

Do you think El Chapo is being prosecuted in the US because we treat them normally?

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but he has the tools to go after them in a similar manner to terrorist threats.

And it will be as successful as the last war on terror
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
58605 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:55 pm to
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Does this mean we can go after the CIA for arming them?



Sweet Summer Child.

Do you think this would be the first terrorist organization the CIA armed?
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
1998 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:57 pm to
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The War on Poverty got us more poverty.
The War on Terror got us more terror.
The War on Drugs got us more drugs.


I'm not sure what there is to understand


What a lazy answer. Can you explain why each failed??

"It didn't work the end" just sounds pointless & negative
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 2:57 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
39653 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:58 pm to
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Do you think El Chapo is being prosecuted in the US because we treat them normally?



We were dependent on the Mexican government arresting him and turning him over. Going forward, the President can act unilaterally to deal with the likes of El Chapo .....inside of Mexico unilaterally if he chooses.

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And it will be as successful as the last war on terror


Probably but the tools should be available to deal what is grown beyond a typical law enforcement problem.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted by TigerV
Member since Feb 2007
2669 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Do you think El Chapo is being prosecuted in the US because we treat them normally?


I guess this changes how we will be treating these types of characters as well - you don’t go to federal prison anymore, it’s off to Guantanamo and the interrogation can begin. Also, I think it allows the military to be deployed at the border for operations, but not exactly sure how that plays out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:19 pm to
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We were dependent on the Mexican government arresting him and turning him over.


If we usurp that role, then it's no longer domestic and we're engaged in a foreign military conflict.

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Going forward, the President can act unilaterally to deal with the likes of El Chapo .....inside of Mexico unilaterally if he chooses.

Effectively declaring war on Mexico.

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Probably but the tools should be available to deal what is grown beyond a typical law enforcement problem.

We've used spec ops for decades for the international war on drugs.

Always fails, sometimes makes it worse (see: Los Zetas)
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1187 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:35 pm to
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See: Landman - Season 1, Episode 8.


See Lioness, Season 2..
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
1666 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:08 pm to
The war on terrorists hasn't gained us more terror please tell me inside the united states where more acts of terror have happened after 911
I don't think you're understanding with marking cartels.As terrorists will do to their organization. no one can do business with them. Banks, countries, etc
It's the end of the end for cartels sitting protected in Mexico...its over
Think about it...any place or any one or any entity, doing business with anyone associated with a cartel is now gonna be in jeopardy of complete shutdown
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29717 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:12 pm to
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guess we're back onto foreign conflicts now
it's quite literally a domestic invasion
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:55 pm to
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it's quite literally a domestic invasion

Nobody is against prosecuting them domestically

Putting troops into Mexico is a foreign conflict
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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443414 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:57 pm to
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.As terrorists will do to their organization. no one can do business with them. Banks, countries, etc

You think you could do this yesterday in the US with cartels?

That's why civil asset forfeiture is so massive (and terrible). Specifically the War on Drugs.

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Think about it...any place or any one or any entity, doing business with anyone associated with a cartel is now gonna be in jeopardy of complete shutdown

Was already the law
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
2648 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:00 pm to
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And it will be as successful as the last war on terror


What a whiny bitch
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:00 pm to
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What a whiny bitch


You liked the WOT and want to do it again?

Bold take
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
39653 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:02 pm to
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If we usurp that role, then it's no longer domestic


It's not "usurping' a role....it's changing the scope of how we deal with it. A national security threat vs a law enforcement threat. Again similar as to how we would deal with al-Qaeda

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nd we're engaged in a foreign military conflict.


Yes quite possibly

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Effectively declaring war on Mexico.


No

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We've used spec ops for decades for the international war on drugs.


Correct

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Always fails, sometimes makes it worse (see: Los Zetas)


It was successful in Colombia so not always but your point is taken.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
83417 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:03 pm to
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Putting troops into Mexico is a foreign conflict


Is this what the betas are afraid of?
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