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re: Carney's Team Humiliated In D.C. — Not A Single Meeting Secured
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:36 pm to Naked Bootleg
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:36 pm to Naked Bootleg
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But did they send Canada's negotiation dream team?
I laughed for weeks when that picture first came out.
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Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:38 pm to Nikki_T
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Let’s not forget their decision to recognize a Palestinian state just before the Aug 1 deadline. That blunder might’ve been the reason for the shunning in DC.
That was a direct TDS snub to the US and Trump. They are just comfortably miserable people up there. I'm convinced that Trump exposed an anti-American bias of the majority. When they could work with us that majority selected/ elected a European type socialist to double down on TDS.
I have a buddy who lives in the Florida Keys in the winter. He said it is sickening especially this past year that they have these little Canadian flags on their cars to rub it in our nose. We will never get to the point where the border will be closed between the two but I'd like to see it for about four years. They are so hoping a democrat is elected next time.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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You realize we have a historical version of the world where the Canadians executed a foreign policy that was without US support, right? Do you know what that looked like?
They can't, they are so deeply within the US security blanket it's always an ever present factor.
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Because of Canada's geographic location. There is a cause and effect here. States take what they can. States with less defensible borders coincidentally have to spend more on defense than states that do have defensible borders. Canada's geographic features exist independently of US foreign policy and military prowess.
It's not great, they have no easy way to hold onto western Canada. It's practically indefeasible with their military.
China could easily take over with a coup.
Bye Vancouver.
Play this through, Trump says He wont defend Canada.
China shows up 3 days later with a carrier group to take Vancouver.
What does Canada do but roll over.
Even better, The US loses the Pacific war of the 2030s.
China wants Vancouver to watch the US...
Canada says Eh?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:41 pm to oldskule
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Canada could be such a strong neighbor, but the liberal ideologies in government have destroyed that opportunity.... If Ca would follow the USA lead, they would triple their output....
Truth
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Most Canadiens do not like the far-left leadership.
Wish that was true
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:46 pm to Placekicker
Canada is becoming less aligned with our values. It’s fair to shun them for that reason alone.
Totally fine with this move especially given their behavior around trade discussions so far.
Totally fine with this move especially given their behavior around trade discussions so far.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:49 pm to Harry Boutte
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he shut our entire economy down
What did he shut down?
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and fast-tracked what he called a vaccine, and you idiots went and elected him again.
Did he got e people to take it or show us how much red tape can be cut to get things thru?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:49 pm to Narax
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Their stated plans are fiction.
Their stated plans just reiterate their entire emphasis on Europe. They had no real war plans or contingencies for North America.
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You act like they were some nice Marxist teddy bear.
No, I am saying, quite rightly, that they had no meaningful plans for North America. Their entire interest were areas with which they had familiarity and historical association, which doesn’t include Canada.
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Again, what was the Japanese threat to India in 1930?
I could answer this but I suspect you aren't interested in the nitty-gritty details of Japanese-British politics during the internecine period. Coincidentally, Canada played a role in the development of the Atlantic alliance, which was built off the concerns about what the end of the Anglo-Japanese alliance meant for both Asia as well as the Commonwealth.
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The German threat to Egypt in 1933?
That threat was built into German plans to challenge British naval dominance, which also included the Mediterranean, and had been an aim of Imperial Germany as well.
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Threats develop over time.
But they don't develop out of the ether. They are couched into a historical context, which informs the geopolitics. The German desire to challenge British control of the seas was the big geopolitical issue, and structurally remained the same from the Imperial Era to the Nazi Era, from which theaters of competition developed.
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The fact is the US has been keeping order in North America for a long time.
Again, absent ascendant American power, would the Canadian landscape look any different? There is a very good reason for why it wouldn't. But it appears you want to act as though no historical context exists, which is nonsensical.
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How did Marxism get to Kenya?
As part of the consistent effort by the Soviets to purposely spread communism to the freshly decolonized world? Are we pretending like the answers to these questions are ethereal or something?
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Wagner mercs in Africa?
At the behest of African leaders such as in Sudan and the CAR who specifically asked Putin for help?
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Marxism was a global phenomena, the cold war was fought on a number of fronts.
Again, as part of a revolutionary framework. That framework did not include the same methods for developed, capitalist countries, some of whom already had well developed socialist parties. At certain points in time, the UK and France were ruled by socialists, yet they did not waver in their defense commitments. Why?
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Even now, China is suborning countries around the world
What is 'suborning' supposed to mean? It is some errata but I can't parse it. Regardless, the Chinese method is entirely different from the Soviet one, and involves lots of direct foreign investment. Even still, in terms of African investment, the Chinese are still behind Europe and the US and in Southeast Asia, they are still behind the Japanese. They have different limitations than the Soviets, and thus pursue a different strategy.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:52 pm to Narax
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They can't, they are so deeply within the US security blanket it's always an ever present factor.
You apparently missed the point here.
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It's not great, they have no easy way to hold onto western Canada. It's practically indefeasible with their military.
China could easily take over with a coup.
Bye Vancouver.
You are completely overestimating the ability of China to actually see out a coup. You are just saying stuff now.
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Play this through, Trump says He wont defend Canada.
China shows up 3 days later with a carrier group to take Vancouver.
This is the real world. If such a thing were to happen, it would take a long while to prepare.
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Even better, The US loses the Pacific war of the 2030s.
China wants Vancouver to watch the US...
They could do the same, with less investment, by just taking US Pacific holdings, including Hawaii.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:58 pm to Narax
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Play this through, Trump says He wont defend Canada.
China shows up 3 days later with a carrier group to take Vancouver.
If China moves troops across the Pacific to take over that little tip of SW Canada, they are gonna have big problems with the US. In fact don't we have a boomer base right there? But I get your point. If you can manage to find the Tucker Carlson speeches in Canada and I think Calgary in particular. He tells them that they are generally polite and passive people who just have no intention of standing up to tyranny from their government. And as we think about it, weren't they carried by Britain until they were politely cut loose (yeah, completely in 1982)? Except for their braggadocios perception of their importance in WWII, they haven't fought for anything. They certainly have never been at the tip of the spear.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:02 pm to GumboPot
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Carney is about to lose Alberta.
He never had a chance there.
They may not want to join America but they hated Trudeau and I’m sure this dbag as well
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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Their stated plans just reiterate their entire emphasis on Europe. They had no real war plans or contingencies for North America.
No nation only means their stated plans.
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No, I am saying, quite rightly, that they had no meaningful plans for North America. Their entire interest were areas with which they had familiarity and historical association, which doesn’t include Canada.
Like historical US interests in Ukraine?
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I could answer this but I suspect you aren't interested in the nitty-gritty details of Japanese-British politics during the internecine period. Coincidentally, Canada played a role in the development of the Atlantic alliance, which was built off the concerns about what the end of the Anglo-Japanese alliance meant for both Asia as well as the Commonwealth.
You can't because they had not yet developed any further than Chinese Interests in Vancouver.
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That threat was built into German plans to challenge British naval dominance, which also included the Mediterranean, and had been an aim of Imperial Germany as well.
Ah so a new Naval power with interests to challenge the existing superpower was a threat to a vassal of said existing superpower....
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But they don't develop out of the ether. They are couched into a historical context, which informs the geopolitics. The German desire to challenge British control of the seas was the big geopolitical issue, and structurally remained the same from the Imperial Era to the Nazi Era, from which theaters of competition developed.
But they don't develop out of the ether. They are couched into a historical context, which informs the geopolitics. The Chinese desire to challenge American control of the seas was the big geopolitical issue, and structurally remained the same from the Late Cold War Era to the Current Era, from which theaters of competition developed.
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Again, absent ascendant American power, would the Canadian landscape look any different? There is a very good reason for why it wouldn't. But it appears you want to act as though no historical context exists, which is nonsensical.
If you ignore that Vancouver and the Arctic are free for the taking and there would be no counterweight to Russia/China.
It's a big ignore.
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What is 'suborning' supposed to mean?
To bribe or induce.
Take a look at the Solomon Islands.
Your argument basically boils down to the world is static because you want it to be so.
It's like you are stuck in a single college class that you never moved beyond.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are completely overestimating the ability of China to actually see out a coup. You are just saying stuff now.
You are underestimating, in a rather ignorant way.
There is no payoff right now.
They did it in the Solomon Islands no problem.
Nope, we would give up Vancouver first in a peace deal.
Remember we have nukes.
Nukes always win.
Look at how moronic your reply was.
The US with all it's nukes would give up Hawaii to China...
You are in pure troll mode..
I'm sure you will respond with some more drivel, but it's going to look awful like your earlier crap "you are wrong, I have inside knowledge on China Intel operation capabilities."
There really isn't much going on in your head.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:11 pm to Narax
Is the amount the US spend to fund in military equipment and preparedness in any way inferior to the amount China spends to advance their interests? China can likely cause problems in a war with Taiwan. They won't be able to go much farther than that. In regards to the possibility of China as a menace in our hemisphere, it won't happen.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:11 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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If China moves troops across the Pacific to take over that little tip of SW Canada, they are gonna have big problems with the US. In fact don't we have a boomer base right there?
I agree, right now the US is protecting Canada.
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But I get your point. If you can manage to find the Tucker Carlson speeches in Canada and I think Calgary in particular. He tells them that they are generally polite and passive people who just have no intention of standing up to tyranny from their government. And as we think about it, weren't they carried by Britain until they were politely cut loose (yeah, completely in 1982)? Except for their braggadocios perception of their importance in WWII, they haven't fought for anything. They certainly have never been at the tip of the spear.
Yup, and the supply lines to fight a battle in Vancouver would be interesting.
Vancouver-ites are already disarmed, the liberal government would need to find soldiers and planes.
Would not happen easily.
China could offer Alberta it's own nation and military support.
They could offer Quebec the same and threaten nuke strikes on Toronto.
Canada would be balkanized in a week.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:11 pm to Narax
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There really isn't much going on in your head.
He’s stated in the past he donates thousands per year to the Trevor project. All you need to know about that “man”
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:13 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Is the amount the US spend to fund in military equipment and preparedness in any way inferior to the amount China spends to advance their interests? China can likely cause problems in a war with Taiwan. They won't be able to go much farther than that. In regards to the possibility of China as a menace in our hemisphere, it won't happen.
I fully agree, we are a strong counterweight to them.
Just like with Russia, it's going to be impossible for one superpower to get too close to the other one.
The point was more about Canada is not in an unrivaled perfectly defended place.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:15 pm to Narax
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No nation only means their stated plans.
And what did their actions suggest?
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Like historical US interests in Ukraine?
Which was mostly an afterthought by the US elite. And the US had far more association with Western Europe than the Soviets did. If only it wasn't former Warsaw Pact countries who reached out to the West first, and then met all the demands made to them by transforming their economies and societies to standards set by outside organizations.
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You can't because they had not yet developed any further than Chinese Interests in Vancouver.
Wait, are you saying there weren't major Anglo-Japanese interactions in the internecine period?
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Ah so a new Naval power with interests to challenge the existing superpower was a threat to a vassal of said existing superpower....
Except those plans existed since Von Tirpitz if not before.
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They are couched into a historical context, which informs the geopolitics. The Chinese desire to challenge American control of the seas was the big geopolitical issue, and structurally remained the same from the Late Cold War Era to the Current Era, from which theaters of competition developed.
Okay, so you agree with me completely? Cool.
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If you ignore that Vancouver and the Arctic are free for the taking and there would be no counterweight to Russia/China
You desperately need to read a history book. Because British interest in ensuring Imperial Russian dominance, which lead to The Great Game as well as things like the Anglo-Japanese alliance, would have continued into Canada in case of an actual real threat to Canada's Western coast.
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Your argument basically boils down to the world is static because you want it to be so.
No, my argument is that there are several areas of interest which are easier to execute for these supposed 'predators' that would not include Canada. India and China are locked in real competition, which limits their ability to project power internationally. You are making up insane scenarios to justify some random angst at Canada.
It is theoretically possible that China could develop an interest in Vancouver, but we can judge its likelihood based on several factors and we can make a determination on how seriously to take such a threat. Operating on some insane scenario made up by retards isn't the way policy is planned.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:15 pm to texag7
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He’s stated in the past he donates thousands per year to the Trevor project. All you need to know about that “man”
The Trevor project has killed more teens than any other US organization.
Their sick idealization of suicide has killed thousands of poor kids who were abused by homosexuals.
It's like if the Hillary Clinton witness protection program were real.
Says a lot about people who support it.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:18 pm to Narax
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China could offer Alberta it's own nation and military support.
This is a good Tom Clancy novel. If China tried making inroads into Canada, we'd take the portions over we want to and take care of business. It would be in our national interest to do so. We could argue it is also in Canada's national interest. In fact, we could blockade any movement of Chinese ships, planes and otherwise into our hemisphere. Their supply lines are long. Ours aren't.
We are the big dog of the world militarily.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:19 pm to Narax
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They did it in the Solomon Islands no problem.
What is the relevance to Canada?
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The US with all it's nukes would give up Hawaii to China
What? In your scenario where the US loses some future war with the Chinese, you don't think that the Chinese would ask for US Pacific possessions, but would rather, somehow, in 3 days of Trump announcing he wouldn't defend Canada, be able to hold Vancouver? That is retarded man.
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I'm sure you will respond with some more drivel
Lol, you are making up completely insane scenarios and pretending they are even remotely possible. They are not. Go cry about it elsewhere. But I am 100 percent right.
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