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re: Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:09 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:09 pm to 4cubbies
quote:So by that measure, a wealthy pornstar, or thief, or hitman would have more material value than an elementary school teacher, and therefore more dignity?
It equates material value with dignity.
quote:We were addressing economics. In nonutopian terms, an autocrat ensures by force an equal communal economic outcome.
“Entitled” is an interesting word choice. Who would ensure the outcome? God? Like is everyone entitled to good health or a long life?
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:21 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
So by that measure, a wealthy pornstar, or thief, or hitman would have more material value than an elementary school teacher, and therefore more dignity?
They would be treated with more dignity than an elementary school teacher. I’d say that tracks, wouldn’t you?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 4:28 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Good Lord!
I’d say that tracks, wouldn’t you?
No!
No! I wouldn't. Not at all.
You have got to be kidding!
(If this had come from someone else I'd have blown it off as a troll)
and FWIW,
I don't remotely buy into your dignity tied to wealth.
I'm wealthier by orders of magnitude than my parents or grandparents.
Even more so for MsNC. Our predecessors were as dignified as they could be.
OTOH, by many standards Hunter Biden is wealthy.
Does that POS have dignity?
It is not even a word in in his vernacular, much less in his behavior set.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 4:57 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
It exists more in a capitalist one than a communist one.
Dignity comes from individualism, morals and personal successes. Communism seeks to destroy all of those
Posted on 12/6/24 at 4:59 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
Yes. Certainly more so than other systems.
Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best economic model that has been tested so far in the real world
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:00 pm to 4cubbies
Woof
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:01 pm to 4cubbies
You never met my Mom I see.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No! I wouldn't. Not at all. You have got to be kidding!
If dignity is worth or value, wealthy people are certainly treated as though they have more intrinsic worth/value than regular people like elementary teachers.
quote:he’s treated as though he has more value than regular people, hence his pardon.
OTOH, by many standards Hunter Biden is wealthy.
Does that POS have dignity?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:13 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Not in my experience. Care to cite examples?
If dignity is worth or value, wealthy people are certainly treated as though they have more intrinsic worth/value than regular people like elementary teachers.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:15 pm to 4cubbies
Communists have to use terms like absolute dignity to make you think being a slave to the government is ideal vs making your own path.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:19 pm to 4cubbies
What other system is better? Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:19 pm to 4cubbies
A better question is whether dignity can exist outside of such a society?
I believe it can and has, but human dignity will almost always be curtailed if there are no property rights, rule of law, or ability to improve one’s lot in life.
I believe it can and has, but human dignity will almost always be curtailed if there are no property rights, rule of law, or ability to improve one’s lot in life.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:23 pm to 4cubbies
“If dignity is worth or value, wealthy people are certainly treated as though they have more intrinsic worth/value than regular people like elementary teachers.”
Fake news
Fake news
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:29 pm to Madking
quote:
“If dignity is worth or value, wealthy people are certainly treated as though they have more intrinsic worth/value than regular people like elementary teachers.”
Fake news
Apparently the term “dignity” here means nothing more than cubbies’ severely misguided perception, with a healthy dose of a chip on the shoulder.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:32 pm to Y.A. Tittle
It’s so funny, anti capitalist people are always the most materialistic.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:38 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
why does it reward yard work, intelligence, discipline? Because those things yield profit, right? So hard work, etc isn’t what is valued, the profit is.
The whole reason for fiat is so we don’t have to consume things immediately.
So in today’s world your profit is money to buy other things. In the early days of this country people traded shite. But people like you need money to trade. Because you don’t produce anything you can trade with others. All you have to offer farmers is buying the product at the grocery with your cash profits.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:42 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Perhaps your insertion of ""intrinsic worth"" was a misnomer???
If dignity is worth or value, wealthy people are certainly treated as though they have more intrinsic worth/value
E.g., I never kowtowed to anyone ... ever.
I've met with POTUS's, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Billionaires, etc.
My dignity was NEVER called to question ... EVER!
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:52 pm to Madking
quote:
It’s so funny, anti capitalist people are always the most materialistic.
I’ve had periods in life with as many material possessions as I could desire and periods where I had almost none at all. I’ve, of course, encountered people in my life at all extremes of this spectrum. My notion of what constitutes human “dignity” for myself or anyone else I’ve encountered does not anything to do with and has never been in any way swayed by mine or anybody’s material holdings. It’s never even occurred to me that such would be part of the equation.
It’s such an odd perspective that anyone would think one is somehow tied to the other.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Not in my experience. Care to cite examples?
Sure, Hunter Biden.
This board worships billionaires Trump and Musk. Have you ever heard anyone speak kindly of a teacher here?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:56 pm to NC_Tigah
She needs to define “Human Dignity”. The fact that she is seemingly equating it with material worth demands it.
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