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re: Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?

Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:38 pm to
Yes.

Jobs (especially ones with freedom or are off-site) are rewards. The only time I've seen it be given otherwise is for super high in-demand skills (like mechanics for the sheriff fleet).
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:39 pm to
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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit), so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?


Lemmie guess, you had this profoundly stupid epiphany after the plumber told you it would be Monday before he could fix your stopped up commode but you are hosting book club tomorrow?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:40 pm to
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I suspect this professor is particularly envious of those who may be able to cogently express this theory/argument.


I think it's the one side of the Dunning Kruger Effect that doesn't have the intellectual capability to realize how stupid they are.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:41 pm to
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That doesn’t really have anything to do with the question though.
No, but it has a tremendous amount to do with his perspective in raising it. It's important you recognize the argument he's raised is more contrived than cogent.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:42 pm to
This is the kind of emotional nonsense that drives a lot of voters that is destroying this nation. It’s the guaranteed outcomes economic philosophy that doesn’t exist. The Left truly believes that everyone who is successful got that way by sheer luck and off the backs of others, not hard work and determination therefore everyone has the right to success
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:44 pm to
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The Left truly believes that everyone who is successful got that way by sheer luck and off the backs of others, not hard work and determination therefore everyone has the right to success


Capitalism stole my dignity!!!

Ergo, I’m entitled to try and take it back in any manner that I might see fit.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:45 pm to
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Society needs inmates for free/cheap labor so we arrest people for silly reasons or fabricate reasons to arrest them to ensure we will have a continuous influx of free/cheap labor.


Wait... you believe that? You actually believe that? You are more delusional/misguided that anyone ever thought.


Murder, rape, drugs, etc are so silly that its crazy we as a society arrest these people. Tee hee!
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Tariffs are a reaction of self preservation in capitalism Explain how you see this. I imagine you'll prove my point to cubbies. quote:when others don’t allow free choices Irrelevant to capitalism in the US.



Its relevance is in the simple fact that if they arent even or at least comparable systems it’s impossible to truly judge our reactionary policies.

Capitalism isn’t a function of government but requires government action to set the rules when the complexity goes beyond the barter system.


Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Capitalism treats humans

Capitalism has no will or means of treating anyone in any way.

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dehumanized by our economic system

It is not the economic system that is detrimental to the impoverished.

It is the love of money. greed

A society without it's basic foundational needs is doomed to extinction, but because extinction does not come quickly - we continue to murder it.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
19109 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:12 pm to
Absolutely, capitalism works better than anything else, but it works best when there are a high percentage of small to midsized businesses, particularly regional ones, and less big government. Aldous Huxley warned of this more than 50 years ago.

Mike Wallace interviews Aldous Huxley
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:12 pm to
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I suspect this professor is particularly envious of those who may be able to cogently express this theory/argument.


It’s so interesting to me that so many of you are fixated on this professor instead of the actual discussion. What’s the saying about the kind of person who discusses people rather than ideas?

Who cares about some random dude?
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Its relevance is in the simple fact that if they arent even or at least comparable systems it’s impossible to truly judge our reactionary policies.


We can easily judge them.

Read the link I posted a few pages back from the Milton Friedman speech that specifically addresses these concerns about differing international systems and why maintaining a capitalist, free system becomes even more important to take advantage of these systems to our benefit.

"Our" being all of society. Obviously some people will have to adapt. If they don't, they become the people cubbies is posting about and we see referenced re: "manufacturing jobs". It's the same meme.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465550 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:16 pm to
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What’s the saying about the kind of person who discusses people rather than ideas?

Who cares about some random dude?


He's a meme. Basically an NPC. He has no original thoughts and since this board has a very high population who went to college, we have all experienced these idiot professor NPCs.

That's why I said I would bet $5 he is not passed a real calculus class.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109600 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:20 pm to
I've been quite engaged in the "actual discussion" here. You are the one who brought your professor into it as seemingly the impetus for it all.

Seems more your tangent to lash out at anyone who chooses to also discuss him/her with regard to your discussion. Ideas don't exist without people.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68957 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:27 pm to
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You sound like a big MAGA type now. This is their exact rhetoric around MAGA-centric regulations like tariffs.


I'm proud of you that I had to go to page 2 to see your MAGA brain rot arbitrarily pop up with no connection to the thread or discussion. Great work, bud.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295457 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Who cares about some random dude?


He's the central figure in the idea.. You seem bothered by this. Makes one wonder why...
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135442 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:32 pm to
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trade wars which will damage us more than it will damage anyone else.
Not a chance.

Rog, when one reads a bit about economies of the late-19th century, two things are apparent: (1) The gold(or silver)-standard created a very different landscape, (2) Tariffs were requisite in mitigating trade deficits (aka the outflow of gold/silver) thereby preserving national wealth.

#2 should be illuminating for those who suppose chronic trade deficits are inconsequential. The difference 130 yrs makes is instead of hemorrhaging gold forcing wage deflation, we can print more money with commensurate inflation eventually outstripping wage growth. Both screw salaried Americans. The effect of our massive trade deficit is just a little less obvious in our fiat world, but it remains just as it did during the gold standard days.

Further, ~$1 trillion deficit is money which generates no US revenue. Tariffs change that.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66140 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:33 pm to
You think a socialist/communist society has fewer incarcerations? Your side only wants to empty prisons while they’re destroying the current society but as soon as they gain control they lock up anyone who isn’t an ideological zealot. You and your professor are propaganda soaked ignoramuses.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295457 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:35 pm to
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trade wars which will damage us more than it will damage anyone else.
Not a chance.


Happened in 2018 and 2019.

Which is why Trump had to beg the fed to help him get re-elected.

quote:


President Donald Trump renewed his criticism of the Federal Reserve on Monday, tweeting that its decision not to cut interest rates is undermining the US economy and that the central bank is acting like a “stubborn child” for refusing to pursue easy money policies.

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US economy would take off like a “rocket ship” if the Fed would only listen to him by cutting rates and stopping its plans to wind down a 2008 financial crisis stimulus program.

Trump tweeted that the month of June was on course to be one of the best months in US history, “despite a Federal Reserve that doesn’t know what it is doing.”

“Think of what it could have been if the Fed had gotten it right,” Trump tweeted. “Thousands of points higher on the Dow, and GDP in the 4’s or even 5’s. Now they stick, like a stubborn child, when we need rates cuts, & easing, to make up for what other countries are doing against us. Blew it!”

To help juice the US economy, Trump has also repeatedly called for loose monetary policy – or quantitative easing – even though he routinely criticized the Fed under President Barack Obama for holding down interest rates and swelling the Fed’s balance sheet by purchasing government bonds and mortgage-backed securities.


LINK
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:39 pm to
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Society needs inmates for free/cheap labor so we arrest people for silly reasons or fabricate reasons to arrest them to ensure we will have a continuous influx of free/cheap labor.


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