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Brandon’s Handlers are destroying the economy… how low will it go?
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:21 am
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:21 am
Even the "experts" are finally admitting we're in a recession, and throwing out the term "hard landing" (severe recession) is happening constantly these days. (hint-we have been since the start of the year, with Q1 and Q2 both showing negative GDP growth). We have the highest inflation in over 4 decades, reminiscent of the Carter years. Yet even after it was obvious we had a major recession problem (over a year ago) this administration and Congress flooded the financial markets with upwards of 3 trillion dollars in new, arbitrary spending ("infrastructure bill", "inflation reduction act" and "welfare for student loan deadbeats"). I think this is a record amount of new spending in just one year outside of a major war or emergency situation (such as a world wide pandemic). Inflation guts people's spending power, forcing them to slash discretionary spending simply to buy necessities.
At the same time, we have interest rates climbing rapidly. This impacts many segments of the market, most particularly housing. Housing sales have dropped rapidly in the last few months. More important, new home construction has flipped, from record demand to a had slump. Killing the new home industry impacts over 10% of the economy, primarily in the construction and related fields-the timber/lumber industry, concrete, interior finishes, cabinet makers, etc. All jobs that typically pay quite well, far better than your typical service industry jobs. Equally important, putting these people out of work takes away their spending power across the economy. Related issues-we have had a housing shortage for a long time (literally 1 1/2-2 decades). We are building new homes slower than demand is increasing, to the housing shortage, inflation in housing prices due to lack of supply and skyrocketing rents. We can only expect this to get worse as construction drops. The situation is only compounded by years of "eviction moratoriums" where property owners were forced to provide housing to deadbeats that refused to pay rent. Those property owners are either getting out of the rental market, raising rents to recoup some of what they lost, and increasing demands for up-front rent, some demanding a year in advance. All smacking renters in the face, and increasing the number of homeless that simply can't afford housing.
Further, the stock market has tanked hard. Many retires have their entire life's savings (and futures) tied up in the market, and have watched their life's savings go up in smoke, many down 20-30% in just the last few months. All of this is slashing spending ability, and shutting down major spending plans. That impact is felt across the entire economy, with reduced spending on home construction/remodeling, vehicle purchases, service (not eating out and cancelling vacation plans). All issues with long-term impacts.
The other issue that's related is our criminal justice system and related skyrocketing crime rates, especially in our major cities. In many places people see urban areas as too dangerous to go out in. Businesses are closing and leaving downtown areas (Seattle, Portland, NYC and others). We are paying ever increasing insurance rates (and prices) to cover losses due to theft and vandalism. The one positive part of the economy is gun sales and manufacturing, as people rush to secure means of protecting themselves. Oh and home security systems.
So....how bad is it going to get, and for how long? Inflation has been rocketing for well over a year, with no sign of stopping (CPI was up again last month so if anything it's increasing). Fed plan on continuing rate hikes for the next several months. The broader financial markets are seeing the results of these changes. Pull out your crystal balls and speculate. When will the economy finally bottom and start to turn around? How high will mortgage interest rates go? How high will unemployment get? How much will homelessness climb? Will we ever be able to get back to the economy of the Trump years (pre-pandemic) with low unemployment, strong growth and 2% inflation?
I'm hoping things turn quickly, but frankly am not very hopeful. It seems like everything happening and being done by our government is aimed at destroying our economy and making people suffer for as long as possible. What is your guess?
At the same time, we have interest rates climbing rapidly. This impacts many segments of the market, most particularly housing. Housing sales have dropped rapidly in the last few months. More important, new home construction has flipped, from record demand to a had slump. Killing the new home industry impacts over 10% of the economy, primarily in the construction and related fields-the timber/lumber industry, concrete, interior finishes, cabinet makers, etc. All jobs that typically pay quite well, far better than your typical service industry jobs. Equally important, putting these people out of work takes away their spending power across the economy. Related issues-we have had a housing shortage for a long time (literally 1 1/2-2 decades). We are building new homes slower than demand is increasing, to the housing shortage, inflation in housing prices due to lack of supply and skyrocketing rents. We can only expect this to get worse as construction drops. The situation is only compounded by years of "eviction moratoriums" where property owners were forced to provide housing to deadbeats that refused to pay rent. Those property owners are either getting out of the rental market, raising rents to recoup some of what they lost, and increasing demands for up-front rent, some demanding a year in advance. All smacking renters in the face, and increasing the number of homeless that simply can't afford housing.
Further, the stock market has tanked hard. Many retires have their entire life's savings (and futures) tied up in the market, and have watched their life's savings go up in smoke, many down 20-30% in just the last few months. All of this is slashing spending ability, and shutting down major spending plans. That impact is felt across the entire economy, with reduced spending on home construction/remodeling, vehicle purchases, service (not eating out and cancelling vacation plans). All issues with long-term impacts.
The other issue that's related is our criminal justice system and related skyrocketing crime rates, especially in our major cities. In many places people see urban areas as too dangerous to go out in. Businesses are closing and leaving downtown areas (Seattle, Portland, NYC and others). We are paying ever increasing insurance rates (and prices) to cover losses due to theft and vandalism. The one positive part of the economy is gun sales and manufacturing, as people rush to secure means of protecting themselves. Oh and home security systems.
So....how bad is it going to get, and for how long? Inflation has been rocketing for well over a year, with no sign of stopping (CPI was up again last month so if anything it's increasing). Fed plan on continuing rate hikes for the next several months. The broader financial markets are seeing the results of these changes. Pull out your crystal balls and speculate. When will the economy finally bottom and start to turn around? How high will mortgage interest rates go? How high will unemployment get? How much will homelessness climb? Will we ever be able to get back to the economy of the Trump years (pre-pandemic) with low unemployment, strong growth and 2% inflation?
I'm hoping things turn quickly, but frankly am not very hopeful. It seems like everything happening and being done by our government is aimed at destroying our economy and making people suffer for as long as possible. What is your guess?
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:34 am to Between TheHedges
All of this is by design by the very ones you are targeting your questions about.
None if this will stop soon with out the right people in office. Those handlers and the handlers handlers have figured out how to steal elections.
It’s going to take a major move by the American people standing up for their freedoms to stop what is in motion today.
None if this will stop soon with out the right people in office. Those handlers and the handlers handlers have figured out how to steal elections.
It’s going to take a major move by the American people standing up for their freedoms to stop what is in motion today.
This post was edited on 9/24/22 at 7:54 am
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:37 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
The have to destroy every pillar of our society before they can create their new one. It’s all on purpose and it’ll be total destruction.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:38 am to Between TheHedges
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Inflation has been rocketing for well over a year, with no sign of stopping
I think far more of the inflation we’re experiencing is rooted in artificial/purposeful barriers to production than most realize. It’s not all about dollars flooding the economy. If we change leadership and if they remove barriers (similar to what Trump did post-Obama), this would bring quite a bit of relief fairly quickly IMO.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:46 am to Madking
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It’s all on purpose and it’ll be total destruction.
I’m not exactly sure what’s reversible at this point even with a “red wave”.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 3:04 am to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:It's supply chain.
I’m not exactly sure what’s reversible at this point even with a “red wave”.
Huge correctable contributors right now are California port and transportation BS, and restrictive energy policies. Those things could be corrected with a competent executive branch.
Others such ranging from the Russian-Ukrainian War (which never should have happened) to Larry Fink's ESG crap to the microchips fiasco, etc. will be more time-consuming to unwind
Posted on 9/24/22 at 3:13 am to NC_Tigah
Nothing is about to correct what it could be or what some have known.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 7:58 am to Madking
Fundamentally changing America
Posted on 9/24/22 at 8:07 am to Between TheHedges
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It seems like everything happening and being done by our government is aimed at destroying our economy and making people suffer for as long as possible.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 8:13 am to NC_Tigah
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It's supply chain.
Agree. add in demand for trade-craft. Yea n our area construction starts are slowing from lack of building service providers, not demand for new square footage, residential or commercial. The nation is awash in inflated dollars to spend.
In downtown Philly at least four tower cranes working on 30+ story spec space, wide open. In 2008, the cranes would be coming down with project broke and half completed
This post was edited on 9/24/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/24/22 at 9:30 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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I’m not exactly sure what’s reversible at this point even with a “red wave”.
They are working fast because the election to fix it is two years away. If they succeed in transitioning to communism there won't be any election in 2024 to worry about.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 10:57 am to Between TheHedges
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So....how bad is it going to get, and for how long?
At least the rest of the year.
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(CPI was up again last month so if anything it's increasing)
Not quite right, at least technically. CPI dropped .2 from the previous month, it was expected to drop .5. The real problem is that food and energy (specifically electricity generation, due to coal and natural gas) continue to rise. With the way CPI is figured, I don't think their weighting is accurate due to the outsized cumulative impact of these specific categories having such sustained, high increases (so I agree with the essence of your statement).
One thing noticeably not being mentioned: when weighted (adjusted for inflation), wages have begun falling (when not adjusted, they have remained stagnant since June).
Every economy runs on fuel (gasoline/diesel), energy (electricity generation, which is still primarily natural gas and coal) and food. Of those things, only one has been adequately addressed but that will reverse (to some extent) once the SPR drawdown ends in November.
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Fed plan on continuing rate hikes for the next several months. The broader financial markets are seeing the results of these changes. Pull out your crystal balls and speculate. When will the economy finally bottom and start to turn around?
It's impossible to predict the specific bottom, the wider the range you look at the more likely it is that it will land in a given range. With that said, I wouldn't look for the bottom to be any time within the next 30-60 days. Likely, not until sometime next year. I'm basing this off things like the large number of Q3 revenue estimates being revised downward, my belief that Q3 GDP will be down (due primarily to food and energy costs with wages being stagnant or falling during the period), Unemployment rising (no one has mentioned that it went up last month), etc.
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Will we ever be able to get back to the economy of the Trump years (pre-pandemic) with low unemployment, strong growth and 2% inflation?
Unless something unexpected happens, I don't see 2% inflation for at least the next 2-3 years. Unemployment? No idea.
This post was edited on 9/24/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:06 am to Madking
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The have to destroy every pillar of our society before they can create their new one. It’s all on purpose and it’ll be total destruction.
This is why the election theft in 2024 is going to be exponentially more in our faces than even 2020 was. I look for over 125% voter turnout in key metropolitan areas in swing states.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:08 am to Between TheHedges
It has to get much worse. It has to get so bad that the globalist bullshite that will be offered will look good.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:12 am to Between TheHedges
Executive order signed in March implements digital dollar. After that, real carnage should follow. Models show America ends within 5 years. Enjoy what little time we all have left.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 8:22 pm to Sneauxghost
quote:that is scary
Executive order signed in March implements digital dollar.
A lot of this other stuff going on now is window dressing
Even the vaxx-Covid garbage they tried to pull.
Things are going to get real soon
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:31 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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It’s all on purpose and it’ll be total destruction.
I’m not exactly sure what’s reversible at this point even with a “red wave”.
I go back and forth from being optimistic about our future to thinking it’s already over.
A “red wave” will at least give us a fighting chance.
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