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Brandon says US tanks to Ukraine are not an offensive threat to Russia

Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted by jatilen
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:10 pm
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President Biden on Wednesday said that the commitment of U.S. Abrams tanks to Ukraine is not “an offensive threat to Russia,” appearing to respond to threats from Russian officials that the provision of Western tanks to Ukraine would escalate tensions with Moscow.

“There’s no offensive threat to Russia” the president said in remarks from the Roosevelt room of the White House.

“If Russian troops returned to Russia…that’s where they belong, this war would be over today. That’s what we all want, an end to this war,” the president said.


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The president dismissed the notion that his decision to provide Abrams tanks for Ukraine came as a result of German pressure for the U.S. to share the burden of a move that has already drawn a bellicose reaction from Russia.

“Germany didn’t force me to change my mind, we wanted to make sure we’re all together,” the president said in response to a reporter’s question. “That’s what we’re going to do all along, that’s what we’re doing right now.”

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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:30 pm to
Russians in Russia had never been threatened by the Ukrainian tanks. Russians in Ukraine are. It’s not complicated.
Posted by justjoe906
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:32 pm to
It's fixing to get ugly.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:33 pm to
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Brandon says US tanks to Ukraine are not an offensive threat to Russia

Posted by ninthward
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:33 pm to
Next week a boomer and two attack subs to ukraine, for protection.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:34 pm to
Our president is an arse hole from hell.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:35 pm to
This is not going to end well for anybody.
I saw a 1 mile long train loaded with M1 Abrams and Bradley Fighting Vehicles sitting on the tracks in Texas on Sunday night. They were pointing south.
Maybe going to Fort Hood or the Gulf to be loaded on to a ship.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:40 pm to
Brandon also said regarding the 9mm "you'll shoot your lung out, kid"
Posted by texn
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:44 pm to
Of course, they are no threat to the Russian govt. To be a threat, the Ukrainians need F-15s, not assault rifles or M-1s.
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
4893 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:47 pm to
Since Putin invaded them
I think that makes them defensive
Draw a tank and a country and maybe that will help you
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:01 pm to
everything that comes out of this administration is straight up retardation. not surprised one bit.
Posted by TBoy
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:41 pm to
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not “an offensive threat to Russia,”

Of course not. Ukraine has not invaded Russia.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
5894 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:15 pm to
This is from RT, BUT, it is a valid question that I have had and maybe some folks here can clear some of this up? Because, it seems, to me, that we are just pissing in the wind here, with a few of these and a few of those, spread out over time.

How many tanks does Kiev need?

To simplify calculations, we’ll be using an armored division, the main structural and tactical unit of armored forces in the former Soviet republics, as our yardstick. According to Soviet manuals, an armored division must have 296 tanks, 230 infantry fighting vehicles, 54 self-propelled artillery systems, over 2,000 regular vehicles, and almost 12,000 soldiers and officers.
How many divisions does Kiev need? At least one per each of the three main fronts — in Lugansk, Donetsk, and Zaporozhye. The line of contact in the special military operation zone right now is 815 km long, making three divisions too modest an amount to make a difference, but let’s disregard this for the time being.

Three armored divisions combined would have a total of about 900 tanks. Apart from that, another armored division may be necessary on the Belarusian front, which could see some very heavy fighting. In case of an escalation there, an armored division or a similar unit in reserve is a must, which drives the number of required tanks up by 300 to 1,200.
Finally, no commander-in-chief can do without his own reserve, the so-called reserve of the supreme high command. Without at least one armored division, this reserve cannot really count as such, which means another 300 tanks for a required total of 1,500.
Another thing to consider is probable Ukrainian losses during offensive operations. The average daily losses of an armored unit in this case stand at 10 to 15%. About 15 to 20% of incapacitated tanks are typically irrecoverable losses, while the rest require repairs (general maintenance for 30 to 50%, medium-level repairs for 15 to 30%, and an overhaul for 10 to 20%).
Simply put, at least another 300 tanks are required to offset losses during combat operations. This gives us a figure of 1,800 tanks, which must be considered an absolute minimum.
These are very approximate and somewhat simplistic calculations, yet they give us ballpark figures.

How many tanks will Kiev get?

So far, NATO countries have earmarked tanks for Ukraine numbered in the dozens. This is only a fraction of the hypothetical minimum.

Great Britain and Poland have officially pledged an armored company each, respectively consisting of up to 14 tanks. Germany will supply a similar amount, while the US is preparing the supply of 31 Abrams heavy weapons.

Why then are we half assing this support for Ukraine?


Posted by facher08
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:29 pm to
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Why then are we half assing this support for Ukraine?


Why is there no mention of the tanks Ukraine currently has? This is written like the west is replacing their entire sum of tanks.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:33 pm to
They’re not. Russia won’t and can’t do anything about it.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16118 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:35 pm to
We about to give Ukraine some nukes aren't we?
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