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Both parties want their talking points and neither offer real solutions
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:42 am
Not just on the school shootings but on any issue. Democrats say the want more gun control but unless they are willing to confiscate the 300+ million guns they know it won't make much of a difference.
Republicans preach mental health, more cops in schools. The fact is that almost every police department in America has staffing issues and can't fill current slots so where are all of these extra police going to come from?
The President blames the gun lobby. He could call up the ATF today and have them reclassify any long gun that meets his definition of an "assault rifle" and have ATF reclassify these as a NFA AOW. I am not advocating for this but he could do it.
There aren't any honest power brokers left. Its all agenda driven.
Republicans preach mental health, more cops in schools. The fact is that almost every police department in America has staffing issues and can't fill current slots so where are all of these extra police going to come from?
The President blames the gun lobby. He could call up the ATF today and have them reclassify any long gun that meets his definition of an "assault rifle" and have ATF reclassify these as a NFA AOW. I am not advocating for this but he could do it.
There aren't any honest power brokers left. Its all agenda driven.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:44 am to lsufan1971
quote:There are other proposals, as well, such as encouraging school staff to get firearms training and allowing them to carry firearms at school.
Republicans preach mental health, more cops in schools. The fact is that almost every police department in America has staffing issues and can't fill current slots so where are all of these extra police going to come from?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:45 am to lsufan1971
When the primary goal is to get reelected and everything else is secondary, the modus operandi becomes talking points to achieve that goal, and blame inaction on the other party.
Both parties are guilty of this.
Both parties are guilty of this.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:50 am to Puffoluffagus
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When the primary goal is to get reelected and everything else is secondary, the modus operandi becomes talking points to achieve that goal, and blame inaction on the other party.
It also discourages actions that might be unpopular but ultimately good for the country. I know that statement is verging on "you think the politicians know what's good for you better than you do" territory, but what I mean is that you have a regime like China's where they can spend billions if not trillions on nuclear to cut their manufacturing costs to a third or less than what it is now because they aren't worried about polls or elections. That could never happen here because we would have half the population bitch about the spending and the other half would be bitching about nuclear energy not being safe. And I'm certainly not advocating for a dictator state, its just an advantage that they have that we do not in that they can look longer term and not care about short term consequences as much.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:53 am to lsufan1971
quote:This is a democrat problem. That tends to happen when you vilify and defund police.
Republicans preach mental health, more cops in schools. The fact is that almost every police department in America has staffing issues and can't fill current slots
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:54 am to lsufan1971
The cold reality is that the 2A protects arms in common use for traditionally lawful purposes, and thus firearm homicides can't be meaningfully reduced in the U.S. short of a repeal of the 2A followed by a massive confiscation scheme. Politicians on the left and right all know this, but the average American is an idiot and thus thinks we can "do something" about it in the way of quick legislation. But no amount of mental health bills, "red flag" laws, school fortifications, magazine restrictions, state license schemes, etc. will change the underlying driving dynamic.
We currently have a right to keep and bear arms in the U.S., and arms-related homicides are and will continue to be an artefact of that right. Just like the right to own a swimming pool begets hundreds of drownings per year and the right to travel via auto begets tens of thousands of auto related deaths per year.
We currently have a right to keep and bear arms in the U.S., and arms-related homicides are and will continue to be an artefact of that right. Just like the right to own a swimming pool begets hundreds of drownings per year and the right to travel via auto begets tens of thousands of auto related deaths per year.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:55 am to lsufan1971
There’s not a one size fits all solution.
I personally believe the best option, or at least the one that will go the furthest in reducing these events, is to harden schools. One way in and one way out that is secure and controlled.
If jurisdictions choose to allow armed security, open it up to retired LEOs and veterans, or even members of the school community — all of whom need to pass backgrounds, mental health screenings, and gun training — all on an ongoing basis.
If a school has armed security, don’t announce it, don’t advertise it. Don’t let these monsters know which are the soft targets.
I personally believe the best option, or at least the one that will go the furthest in reducing these events, is to harden schools. One way in and one way out that is secure and controlled.
If jurisdictions choose to allow armed security, open it up to retired LEOs and veterans, or even members of the school community — all of whom need to pass backgrounds, mental health screenings, and gun training — all on an ongoing basis.
If a school has armed security, don’t announce it, don’t advertise it. Don’t let these monsters know which are the soft targets.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:56 am to lsufan1971
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Both parties want their talking points and neither offer real solutions
That’s because there are no real solutions. Man has been killing man throughout our entire history and it will continue until this world is redeemed.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:58 am to lsufan1971
The best solution is easy and cheap access to mental care.
But this administration is only concerned with lining its own pockets while paying lipservice or worse, encouraging mental health dysfunction as a means of destabilizing the country.
If the root of the issue never gets solved or acted on, ask yourself who benefits?
But this administration is only concerned with lining its own pockets while paying lipservice or worse, encouraging mental health dysfunction as a means of destabilizing the country.
If the root of the issue never gets solved or acted on, ask yourself who benefits?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:00 am to Revelator
quote:I mean, there is a solution to the level of random gun crime and active shooter incidents in the U.S. The problem is that it involves gutting the Bill of Rights and empowering the state to seize hundreds of millions of privately owned firearms, which is arguably far more dangerous than the status quo.
That’s because there are no real solutions.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:03 am to lsufan1971
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Both parties want their talking points and neither offer real solutions
Time to stop with the "both sides" crap.
One side is trying to uphold the Constitution, the other side is burning the country to the ground at every opportunity.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:05 am to USMCguy121
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The best solution is easy and cheap access to mental care.
It’s neither easy nor cheap, FYI. And we see perpetrators who are already known to both mental health and law enforcement professionals still commit crimes.
Yes we need more mental health services, but it needs to be in conjunction with other measures, too.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:13 am to lsufan1971
When I was in HS there were at least 100 cars in the student lot that had loaded guns in them. We never had a single shooting. Our school had no police officers. We had no SROs.
It's not a failure of legislation. As kids we lived in a different culture back then.
It's not a failure of legislation. As kids we lived in a different culture back then.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:31 am to FooManChoo
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There are other proposals, as well, such as encouraging school staff to get firearms training and allowing them to carry firearms at school.
iver offered several times... for extra pay of course. not just something thats added on to other duties..
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:33 am to FooManChoo
quote:My local school has armed teachers and signs stating such. I think it’s a valuable tool. Course I also live in rural Arkansas.
There are other proposals, as well, such as encouraging school staff to get firearms training and allowing them to carry firearms at school.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:37 am to lsufan1971
Both parties will use this as an opportunity to yell at each other and call the other side wrong and at fault.... They will nitpick the details that make them look correct....and nothing...not a damn thing will get done by either side. Neither has a clue how to stop this, and neither side actually wants to.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:40 am to lsufan1971
What laws against criminal and social behavior were in place prior to the advent of the increased criminal and morally corrupt social behavior we are experiencing now?
Please start there and work your way back.
I'm on Leave It To Beaver & Mayberry RFD right now!!
Please start there and work your way back.
I'm on Leave It To Beaver & Mayberry RFD right now!!
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to lsufan1971
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Both parties want their talking points and neither offer real solutions
It's almost like the two party system has been designed to provide the illusion of choice with a divide and conquer purpose. If you depend on governmnt to solve all your problems don't be surprised if you get more government and not a lot else.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to lsufan1971
So tell me what do you propose?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:53 am to lsufan1971
There is a way to get beyond the political talking points and into real solutions. Stop looking to the federal politicians for the answers. Red States need to start organizing their own "commissions" to work on the hot button issues that the federal government cannot solve. Similar to how they are all now working together on the illegal immigration and school agendas.
Each red state appoint someone non political and knowledgeable on the subjects to work together and come to a solution that can be implemented. Then implement them and leave the liberals to cry about it.
Each red state appoint someone non political and knowledgeable on the subjects to work together and come to a solution that can be implemented. Then implement them and leave the liberals to cry about it.
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