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Blue Ammonia for no carbon fuel...
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:21 pm
Medium article
I find this possibly fascinating. How much energy is lost when converting it?
Also you can use green energy to create ammonia and then use that later to power the grid at night and so forth.
Just thought this was mildly interesting.
If this is garbage let me know please.
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Blue ammonia is a new potential source of energy that is created from byproducts of current fossil fuel production and use. Ammonia is made up of 18% hydrogen which is enough fuel to be used as a clean energy source. The ammonia is created by harvesting hydrocarbons and converting them into hydrogen and ammonia which can then be burned in power generation plants.
The key here is that the blue ammonia does not let off any carbon dioxide when burned and ARAMCO claims that it traps nearly all CO2 generation during the conversion process making this fuel one of the first carbon free options for mass use.
I find this possibly fascinating. How much energy is lost when converting it?
Also you can use green energy to create ammonia and then use that later to power the grid at night and so forth.
Just thought this was mildly interesting.
If this is garbage let me know please.
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:26 pm to thetempleowl
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is created from byproducts of current fossil fuel production and use.
So, you have to use the fossil fuel first?
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:29 pm to thetempleowl
Nuclear energy is the only true answer but the idiot Dems freak out about the word "nuclear" so they refuse to consider it
Nuclear Energy vs Fossil Fuels
Nuclear Energy vs Fossil Fuels
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:32 pm to thetempleowl
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that is created from byproducts of current fossil fuel production and use.
So... it is a byproduct of fossil fuel production AND use... So, what are we going to do with all the fossil fuel we produce in order to produce this stuff so we can utilize an alternative fuel source to fossil fuels?
It is almost like this shite is circular...
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:34 pm to PhillyTiger90
We need a Green Nuclear Deal.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:40 pm to thetempleowl
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byproduct of fossil fuel
Stopped reading at this.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:42 pm to thetempleowl
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ammonia is a new potential source of energy
nothing new about this
ammonia as a fuel idea has been around a long time
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:52 pm to TrueTiger
Ammonia is more dangerous to handle and to store. It belongs in farmers fields and not anywhere near residential districts.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:56 pm to thetempleowl
Ammonia only had about 1/3rd the energy density of diesel. Not workable for cars
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:07 pm to narddogg81
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Ammonia only had about 1/3rd the energy density of diesel. Not workable for cars
Maybe in turbine type situations, for power plants though?
They claim that it's a by product of fossil fuel production, and has zero emissions, maybe it's good for something.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:11 pm to auggie
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maybe it's good for something.
About 80% of the ammonia produced by industry is used in agriculture as fertilizer. Ammonia is also used as a refrigerant gas, for purification of water supplies, and in the manufacture of plastics, explosives, textiles, pesticides, dyes and other chemicals.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:21 pm to The Maj
My experiences around ammonia in industrial plants has never been positive. We had a huge ammonia refrigeration system at a Ketone Unit and ammonia is also byproduct in other refining processes. A small leak will put you out of commission if you aren’t careful.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:26 pm to The Maj
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About 80% of the ammonia produced by industry is used in agriculture as fertilizer. Ammonia is also used as a refrigerant gas, for purification of water supplies, and in the manufacture of plastics, explosives, textiles, pesticides, dyes and other chemicals.
Yes, I know all of that. I mean good for use as a fuel, in certain situations. Natural gas power plants have considerable waste of energy built in, because of converting to steam, then converting to kinetic energy at the turbine, and using that to turn the generator.
Ammonia might run cooler and allow for directly powering the turbines, leaving out the steam conversion factor.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:29 pm to auggie
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Ammonia might run cooler and allow for directly powering the turbines, leaving out the steam conversion factor.
There are no shortages of uses for ammonia now, so what are you going to replace the ammonia with in all these other processes?
If ammonia was more efficient in any manner as a fuel, it would already be widely utilized as a fuel.
This is classic creating a solution where there is not a problem, so to speak.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:38 pm to The Maj
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If ammonia was more efficient in any manner as a fuel, it would already be widely utilized as a fuel.
I'm not saying that it is a more efficient fuel than anything else, but you might be able to cut out a part of the process that reduces efficiency, plus I think ammonia is easy and cheap to produce.
The article was talking about a specific type of ammonia. I'm not saying if it is better or not, just keeping an open mind.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:41 pm to auggie
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you might be able to cut out a part of the process that reduces efficiency
If this were the case, then it would contribute to the overall efficiency...
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easy and cheap to produce.
From the production of fossil fuels AND their use...
This was covered in the article as well, which kinda makes it a non-starter if you are going to tout it as a "no carbon fuel"...
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:44 pm to PhillyTiger90
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Nuclear energy is the only true answer but the idiot Dems freak out about the word "nuclear" so they refuse to consider it
Nuclear Energy vs Fossil Fuels
With all the technological advances we have made in the last 25 years you would think someone would have come up with a cheaper way to build a safer plant.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:45 pm to The Maj
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From the production of fossil fuels AND their use...
There are other ways to produce ammonia, if you need more.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 4:28 pm to narddogg81
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Ammonia only had about 1/3rd the energy density of diesel. Not workable for cars
The deal is when producing this ammonia from fuel, they capture the carbon so none is released.
So production and then burn of this does not release carbon.
Its rather interesting.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 4:34 pm to Simplemaaan
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Ammonia is more dangerous to handle and to store. It belongs in farmers fields and not anywhere near residential districts.
ammonia is used in industrial and commercial refrigeration. it is pretty commonly used
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