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OccamsStubble
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago



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Immunity after getting covid 19 most likely only lasts a few months


Bullschitt. When you read this on a forum, or in an article, you can then know the writer knows nothing.

This virus isn’t reversing millions of years of human evolution


JesusQuintana
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
If antibodies only provide short term immunity then how do people think a vaccine is going to be effective exactly?


deathvalleytiger10
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Yeah, but it has mutates already twice. Will antibodies get it it after mutating?


Guess we need to throw in the towel, move on to poverty, and all become soyboys.

Our Grandfathers stormed beaches and got killed, mutilated, or somehow made it, never to be the same.

And we are wearing fricking masks to church.

Get on with it. Who wants to live their life like this? Not me, live and pray the good Lord takes care of you.


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Bulldogblitz
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
you're lying. They all died. Their funeral was last Friday.

Please stop covering up the troof!!!!


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OccamsStubble
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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If antibodies only provide short term immunity then how do people think a vaccine is going to be effective exactly?



Antibodies raised to a particular epitope (a small, significant piece of 3D protein on the viral coat) or a series of epitomes ALWAYS are cycled out after a few months, in the absence of the agent (virus, spore, bacteria) that initiated their production.

Antibodies are produced by B cells. The antibodies disappear, the B cels which produce them do not. They remain at the ready to reproduce new antibodies at the first reintroduction of the virus/spore/bacterium. B cells have a memory

A vaccine mimics the virus, creating the B cells which can produce antibodies against the agent until you die
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JesusQuintana
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Thank you.

Why would this phenomenon not occur naturally or would it, in theory anyway?


Tigahs24Seven
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Yeah, but it has mutates already twice. Will antibodies get it it after mutating?



First of all where is any proof of mutation?

Second viruses usually dumb themselves down as not to kill all their hosts...i would not worry about it...it is disappearing in the worst hit areas in the NE as we speak.


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TulaneLSU
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Friend,

ANTIBODIES TO A VIRUS DO NOT ALWAYS CONFER IMMUNITY.

There are several well known viruses that infect humans where you concomitantly have antibodies and a virus. Look at hepatitis C, where everyone with infection makes HCV antibodies. That is actually how HCV is diagnosed -- by looking at antibodies. Then you can quantitate the viral load once the diagnosis is made.

HIV is the same way. Diagnosis is made by the presence of antibodies via ELISA testing. Again, the presence of antibodies does not confer immunity.

It would be really helpful if you do not understand immunology that you do not make unsubstantiated statements based on your limited knowledge and opinions.

Yours,
TulaneLSU


jcaz
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Two days after we got back from Orange Beach I am pretty sure I came down with it. Aches, shortness of breath, but no coughing. Isolated with wife for a week and then she came down with same symptoms a few days later. Then my son’s stepfather tested positive. Then my son had a fever and aches. We are all perfectly fine now. This is a joke with the exception of the risk to the elderly. Don’t really care about the pre-existing types being high risk. We can’t control natural selection.


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Penrod
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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It lasts as long as the antibodies are present and that could be or should be a long, long time.

You don’t need antibodies to be safe from covid-19. Many have T-Cell immunity.


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bbrownso
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Antibodies are produced by B cells. The antibodies disappear, the B cels which produce them do not. They remain at the ready to reproduce new antibodies at the first reintroduction of the virus/spore/bacterium. B cells have a memory

And don't forget memory T cells.

Wikipedia

Now while I've seem some speculation on antibodies being relatively short-lived, I've seen little info about B & T cell longevity (in fact, I've seen noted mentions that they don't have that information yet).


OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Why would this phenomena not occur naturally...


It would, and does. Exposure to the virus and the resultant immune response is no different than exposure to the vaccine, which is often no more than a killed virus, or an attenuated virus


OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Not forgetting T cells, I raised T cells to a specific cancer cell in mice.


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OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
I never said they always did.


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JesusQuintana
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Thanks. That was kind of my point. With all of these claims that you only gain short term immunity or no immunity at all then in that case a vaccine wouldn’t be effective either.


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LSUAlum2001
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Yeah, but it has mutates already twice.


These corona virus mutate into lesser threats the longer they are around.


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DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Influenza is much more mutable than CV19. Over the course of a season, a flu bug which was initially warded off by vaccination can render that vaccine less and less effective over time. There is virtually no chance of that occurring with CV19.

That's odd. The "expert" on the talk radio show this morning was saying how the US virus has mutated from the original Chinese version. He straight out said it was going to bring into question the efficacy of the vaccine they are currently working on.

The misinformation continues. (not you).


OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
343 posts

re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
A mutation doesn’t necessarily render the vaccine ineffective, as there may be multiple antibodies created to multiple epitopes on the virus protein coat, and the mutation may only impact -inactivate - one of those. That’s why herd immunity is such a good overall theory - the virus can mutate, but you still have an effective antibody response to the remaining epitopes that did not mutate.
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Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
Saw an article in Business Insider saying the virus may cause heart damage. That gets my attention. Anyone known any details about that aspect?


RockyMtnTigerWDE
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re: BIL's bud, wife and two kids came down with covid in Orange Beach 3 weeks ago
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Immunity after getting Covid 19 most likely only lasts a few months.


Based on?


He read it on yahoo or something.


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