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re: At the bar with a Lawyer friend...

Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:07 am to
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39738 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:07 am to
Your Lawyer friend should consider that the predatory nature of humans is legendary and the tribalist pack mentality perniciously efficient and contagious when there is no superior societal power to deter it. Law, in plainspeak. Albeit think of Lula’s transformation in El Salvador where their society went from that of barbaric gangs of feral heathen with zero conscience ruling their communities to one of the most secure and safe places in the world today.

Our Nation’s Founding Documents were imagined and based on the idea of God, with “inalienable Rights “ extended to ALL citizens. But the Rights of citizens were only respected if and to the degree that those citizens did not disrespect the rights of their fellow citizens. I.e., break laws that define and defend said individual rights.

There has never been a time or society in human history when a citizen who does not assume their social responsibility to WORK with and as others dutifully do, for the common survival and prosperity of themselves and society. And further and ludicrously so, that the irresponsible citizen can demand (morality based) that the responsible citizens pay for their own bodily needs, irresponsibility nws. That idea will spread like the Covid virus if ever held as a high moral standard, accepted by the citizenry as a form of ‘social justice’ and foist upon the responsible and truly moral citizenry. It is basically suicidal.

Our Nation’s foundation is based on a loving God and further derived from the Judeo-Christian ideology, in that a particular Bible was paid for, printed and approved by the Congress for dissemination and teaching in our schools. As historically such it is obvious that the very essence of Christian Theology is to justly and mercifully care for the weaker brethren of God’s family. That is a qualifier laid down by Jesus Christ if professing Christians desire mercy at their own judgment into our next life. And a pillar of all Religions ( to my knowledge).

I have long supported ‘subsidies’ for the poor, but as the poor are very likely poor for an obvious reason, those merciful subsidies should come with the same QUALIFIERS that Jesus lays on his Own for His mercy towards them. The current demand for food subsidies which include high sugar/fat products that the (poor) will obviously be powerless to discipline their intake of within healthy limits and which will assure future, costly and deadly consequences. Such morality-based demands are not only immoral, from the poor who make them, but immoral for those who would approve and implement such policy as some form of individual rights or ‘social justice’. RFK is caught in this moral conundrum as I type, and making an admirable stand.

This ‘dirty laundry’ stuff is going to have to be aired in our highest political and social forums and honestly argued. Otherwise Mother Nature will do what human wisdom obviously cannot. I.e., judge us by or beliefs and works. And drop the hammer.
Posted by HooDooWitch
TD Bronze member
Member since Sep 2009
11304 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:09 am to
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penal system needs drastic improvements


They have doctors for that.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55649 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:17 am to
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Sentences in Europe for the same crimes are much less, and their recidivism rates are lower. They also provide more social programs for ex-convicts, and the probation system isn’t as harsh.

Europe isn’t America. The Democrats tried that here with the Soros DAs and crime shot up in those areas. We are dealing with vastly different demographics and culture.

If you want to find foreign paragons, why not Singapore? They do a lot better on crime than Europe or America, and they are much harsher than either.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8521 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:35 am to
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have spent between 30-90 days in Europe every year for the past 20 years. It’s an amazing place to live, and completely unlike what is portrayed in conservative media.


Does someone else want to explain to him the chief difference? Not sure I can do it without getting banned.
Posted by Sp0728
Your head
Member since Aug 2018
2341 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:55 am to
Decriminalize weed.
Posted by tiger789
on the bayou
Member since Dec 2008
2512 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:56 am to



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We have one of those lawyer types here












Posted by Big Jim Slade
Member since Oct 2016
6342 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:58 am to
Is your friend “an AG”?
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46368 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:08 am to
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Not to derail but they also have almost zero gun crime for obvious reasons.


How much knife crime do they have?
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7625 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:09 am to
We aren't killing enough criminals. If you are arrested five times for DUI society shouldn't have to put up with your shite. Don't care if you have problems.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20206 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:14 am to
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You left out "liberal" Lawyer friend....


From my experience, is there any other type?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46902 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:16 am to
We are finding it too expensive to house them. We are also finding we can house them overseas for a fraction of the cost. I wonder how much it costs to just push them off of a cliff?
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20323 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:17 am to
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Sentences in Europe for the same crimes are much less, and their recidivism rates are lower.


Europe, especially before the current invasion, has a much different demographic, especially in the violent crime sector, than America.
Posted by Marquesa
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2020
1889 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:59 am to
Who is the WE you refer to - a certain City or State, the country?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44332 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:04 am to
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and their recidivism rates are lower.


When you don’t arrest people, that tends to be the case.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13615 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:09 am to
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If you want to find foreign paragons, why not Singapore?


Because we'd have to change the Constitution to implement it.
Posted by LatherZap
Member since Mar 2022
1371 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:25 am to

Three of your words, unnecessarily capitalized. You should have at least made it four and capitalized "beer".
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55649 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:56 am to
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Because we'd have to change the Constitution to implement it.

You are dodging. We would also have to change the constitution to replicate the Europeans’ gun control policies. And we would not have to change the constitution to increase the severity, the certainty and the rapidity of punishment for crimes.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 9:58 am
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28544 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:59 am to
Did you invite him on a Dick Cheney-style quail hunt?
Posted by Audustxx
Member since Jul 2022
2378 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:59 am to
Lawyers are a big part of the problem
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55649 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:03 am to
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I have spent between 30-90 days in Europe every year for the past 20 years. It’s an amazing place to live, and completely unlike what is portrayed in conservative media.

I spend a lot of time in Europe and the UK, also. It’s an amazing place to visit, but to live? They are poor compared to Americans. Most Americans would be appalled at the houses they would have to live in if they had similar jobs in Europe. They would also be disappointed at the amount of public transportation they had to take because they couldn't afford automobiles like they have in the US.

And the US is outgrowing European GDPs even as we speak. If the trends of the last 20 years continue, then in another 30 years or so we will view Europe the way we view Nicaragua.
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